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HKOwen Hong Kong 14 Dec 22 12.29am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nonsense. I am just elaborating the reasoning and setting things in their context. I have though known brick walls more mailable than some views found here. Which is why it is sometimes necessary to accept that some people will never accept an alternative view exists, so need to be allowed to wallow quietly in their little pools of discontent.
"By the way ethnicity has nothing to do with grooming scandals. It is prejudice at its rawest to suggest otherwise. " You then go on to say "I have less problem with describing these criminals as being "men of pakistani origin" So you really do not see the self contradiction, serious question. Or in your world is pakistani not an ethnicity? I would imagine a brick wall would be a challenging discussion for you, your denial of your actions is remarkable. Edited by HKOwen (14 Dec 2022 12.30am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 22 8.47am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
"By the way ethnicity has nothing to do with grooming scandals. It is prejudice atits rawest to suggest otherwise. " You then go on to say "I have less problem with describing these criminals as being "men of pakistani origin" So you really do not see the self contradiction, serious question. Or in your worldis pakistani not an ethnicity? I would imagine a brick wall would be a challenging discussion for you, your denial of your actions is remarkable. Edited by HKOwen (14 Dec 2022 12.30am) . What bit of “less of a problem” don’t you understand? The less, or problem? Just because I think one is a little less objectionable than the other doesn’t mean I approve of either!
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HKOwen Hong Kong 14 Dec 22 9.13am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
. What bit of “less of a problem” don’t you understand? The less, or problem? Just because I think one is a little less objectionable than the other doesn’t mean I approve of either! You wrote that ethnicity was not a factor then you change your tune depending on the semantics of use. You are solidly back into RDD mode. More power to you and the world you live in
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 22 3.09pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
You wrote that ethnicity was not a factor then you change your tune depending on the semantics of use. You are solidly back into RDD mode. More power to you and the world you live in There's no hope for you. Some people are so obsessively determined to see things which don't exist that no amount of patient explanation is of any use at all. I just hope it makes you happy. It seems like a complete waste of time to me, and I have better things to do that trying to help obsessives.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 14 Dec 22 9.38pm | |
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"By the way ethnicity has nothing to do with grooming scandals. It is prejudice atits rawest to suggest otherwise. " FFS, this is what you wrote. It's a matter of fact. End of.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 22 10.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Who does that? You keep saying it, I've never met anybody serious who has ever suggested all the Islamic community are involved in fiddling kids. Nor have I! It doesn't though have anything whatsoever to do with the point. It's not what anyone says. It's about how people react to what they perceive is meant by what is said. As with other things it is all about behaviour. If we can engender better behaviour from a more careful use of language then we help to improve the situation. Right now we aren't. We are making it worse by creating division.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 22 10.43pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
"By the way ethnicity has nothing to do with grooming scandals. It is prejudice atits rawest to suggest otherwise. " FFS, this is what you wrote. It's a matter of fact. End of.
I did write the quote above, and I stand by it. It's not the ethnicity of anyone that turns them into a groomer. However, I also wrote this "I have less problem with describing these criminals as being "men of pakistani origin" than describing them as "pakistani grooming gangs"". I stand by that too. The statements are not mutually exclusive. All the second means is that I believe the first term causes less harm than the second. I would not use either, but if others are going to, I prefer to see the first to the second. Two things can both be wrong, but one can do more harm than the other. That's truly a matter of fact. I rather doubt that though will actually be the end of. In your fevered imagination. You must have a very blue face. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Dec 2022 11.19pm)
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HKOwen Hong Kong 14 Dec 22 11.54pm | |
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There is no point in engaging with you at all.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Dec 22 8.01am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
There is no point in engaging with you at all. I can assure you that the feeling is mutual. I said some would regard the difference as semantics but you are not even prepared to accept that. You are completely unable to see past your prejudices and are constantly just aggressively rude, insisting that you’re right when the truth is that you hold another opinion. When I see Mick Lynch on TV these days I think of you.
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georgenorman 15 Dec 22 8.54am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What is wrong with you? You frequently get so confused that you begin to see things that just aren't there. I did write the quote above, and I stand by it. It's not the ethnicity of anyone that turns them into a groomer. However, I also wrote this "I have less problem with describing these criminals as being "men of pakistani origin" than describing them as "pakistani grooming gangs"". I stand by that too. The statements are not mutually exclusive. All the second means is that I believe the first term causes less harm than the second. I would not use either, but if others are going to, I prefer to see the first to the second. Two things can both be wrong, but one can do more harm than the other. That's truly a matter of fact. I rather doubt that though will actually be the end of. In your fevered imagination. You must have a very blue face. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Dec 2022 11.19pm) I would do everything I could to stop my daughters associating with pakistani men and would do what I could to distance myself from pakistani men carrying back-packs in public places.
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Teddy Eagle 15 Dec 22 9.06am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nor have I! It doesn't though have anything whatsoever to do with the point. It's not what anyone says. It's about how people react to what they perceive is meant by what is said. As with other things it is all about behaviour. If we can engender better behaviour from a more careful use of language then we help to improve the situation. Right now we aren't. We are making it worse by creating division. Really? Surely the grooming gangs are creating division more than the language used to describe them. Wanting the wholesale abuse of children to stop isn't expecting "better behaviour".
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Stirlingsays 15 Dec 22 9.16am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I can assure you that the feeling is mutual. I said some would regard the difference as semantics but you are not even prepared to accept that. You are completely unable to see past your prejudices and are constantly just aggressively rude, insisting that you’re right when the truth is that you hold another opinion. When I see Mick Lynch on TV these days I think of you. The line you are pushing is just bonkers though. Ethnicity has been officially recognised in reports as a strong reason behind who was selected by these gangs. For you apparently feelings are more important than facts....unless it's about the groups that you don't like that is. Then your language is suddenly different. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Dec 2022 9.18am)
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