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 Stirlingsays  08 Feb 21 11.47am |
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Originally posted by DanH
I'm not sure someone whose solution to ending racism is to either a) stop using twitter, b) ignore it or c) 'man up' and then also hit the jackpot by blaming black people themselves for racism is even worth 'arguing' against. There is no counter 'argument' to him - he's just completely wrong.
Your attitude towards people, even on your own political side of the fence, who differ even a bit is frankly way over the top.....Perhaps, you don't quite realise how 'woke' you actually are. Perhaps instead of attacking him you'd have a discussion. I'm the kind of guy you should be criticising because I think what you believe in is bunk.
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| madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 08 Feb 21 11.55am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Your attitude towards people, even on your own political side of the fence, who differ even a bit is frankly way over the top.....Perhaps, you don't quite realise how 'woke' you actually are. Perhaps instead of attacking him you'd have a discussion. I'm the kind of guy you should be criticising because I think what you believe in is bunk. There wasn't really a discussion needed. His solution was for footballers to come off social media so they're not a target. Literally blaming the footballers there where there are deeper issues here. Personally, if I reached a certain level of fame, I'd employ someone to handle my social media and just use my DMs to converse with people I actually wanted to/try and pick up women. But not because I believe I would be at fault for being a target, but because the system is failing to provide an alternative solution.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 21 11.55am |
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Originally posted by Matov
I suspect that any cops who did it had one eye on promotion anyway. Sad state of affairs is that if all things were equal, a cop who knelt down to BLM will win promotion over one who did not. True, the modern day system filters the Police for political ideology more than competence. In the past the right employed the left, moderate and far left and allowed them into systems from corporate to institution because there is a libertarianism core to the right. Meritocracy within the job mattered much more than your politics. Yet it's a general truism of the modern left that they don't have those principles and insist that you view the world similarly to them. Collectivism beats individualism everytime.....Which is why the right have to ditch libertarianism....even though I respect its intent and principles. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2021 11.56am)
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| DanH SW2 08 Feb 21 11.58am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Your attitude towards people, even on your own political side of the fence, who differ even a bit is frankly way over the top.....Perhaps, you don't quite realise how 'woke' you actually are. Perhaps instead of attacking him you'd have a discussion. I'm the kind of guy you should be criticising because I think what you believe in is bunk. I don't care what 'side' of the political fence he is - suggesting someone getting abuse is their own fault for just existing or daring to be on social media is quite clearly boll*cks. Some viewpoints are worth a discussion because they're just misguided. Some aren't because they're just utter sh*te.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 21 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
There wasn't really a discussion needed. His solution was for footballers to come off social media so they're not a target. Literally blaming the footballers there where there are deeper issues here. Personally, if I reached a certain level of fame, I'd employ someone to handle my social media and just use my DMs to converse with people I actually wanted to/try and pick up women. But not because I believe I would be at fault for being a target, but because the system is failing to provide an alternative solution. I don't think it was his intent to blame people, black or otherwise. He just offered a possible solution. I also don't agree, but for different reasons from you and Dan. Even if I agreed with the left's opinion on 'racism', the argument line of telling people to change their behaviour never really works.....not unless its backed up with punishment, which I also wouldn't agree with. It's like those who think climate change can be altered if enough people started started acting 'green' or got themselves an electric car. They don't really want to acknowledge or see the holistic problem, which is too many people. Similarly the left's ideas on what they define as 'racism', just don't work and never will....well, in anything like a free society anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2021 12.15pm)
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 21 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I don't care what 'side' of the political fence he is - suggesting someone getting abuse is their own fault for just existing or daring to be on social media is quite clearly boll*cks. Some viewpoints are worth a discussion because they're just misguided. Some aren't because they're just utter sh*te.
Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2021 12.13pm)
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| DanH SW2 08 Feb 21 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2021 12.13pm) Whatever. Quite clearly shows where your values lie by picking me up on calling out nonsense rather than the nonsense itself.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 08 Feb 21 12.37pm |
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Speak for yourself there (self confessed) Feminist-Dan.
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| DanH SW2 08 Feb 21 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Speak for yourself there (self confessed) Feminist-Dan. All those years of rejection by them made you hate women has it?
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 21 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Whatever. Quite clearly shows where your values lie by picking me up on calling out nonsense rather than the nonsense itself. I'm not quite sure you get me. I have zero issues with you giving fortright opinions, which I'm no stranger to giving myself. But you see, I agree with all that traditional free speech stuff, the giving of offence, subjectivity and all that...the idea that protected characteristics are mostly a bad idea. Whereas with you....You think free speech should only come with criteria you agree with....the old, 'it's ok when I do it' routine. Hence I was judging you by your own 'standards'.....you know...those double ones.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Feb 21 1.07pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
All those years of rejection by them made you hate women has it? Everything's always about 'hate'. You are always talking about others 'hating' when perhaps in truth isn't most of the 'hate' coming from yourself. Is the lockdown getting to you a bit Dan? I thought you were enjoying the 'stay at home' stuff actually.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 08 Feb 21 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
All those years of rejection by them made you hate women has it? from some of the shyte your write on here, it's clear you want to be one ? getting back to the OP, its now high time to dispense with the knee gestures at football matches. I propose this evening Roy gets the boys to charge the Leeds goal from the second the whistle goes. and if (self confessed)-feminist DanH wishes to get cross about it, good. 3 points for the Eagles. Edited by PalazioVecchio (08 Feb 2021 2.05pm)
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