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 CambridgeEagle  Sydenham 12 May 17 11.20am |
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Originally posted by susmik
That's the Labour story always has been..spend spend spend and get the country into mega debt. This was pretty comprehensively disproved yesterday on this very thread.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 May 17 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
...also...what would the benefit(s) be of re-nationalisation over what exists now? Apart from anything else a rail franchise is a for profit entity. So they must include an element of profit on ticket prices. Also some franchises, like southern rail, get paid by the government whether or not their service is sh**e and it's the taxpayer that has to foot the refunds for late running services.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 May 17 11.27am |
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Originally posted by Username
I agree with what you are saying, and again across all parties, but then I also think that a manifesto is an indication of direction. It's a party saying 'This is our vision. We think this is all important and worth looking at. Ok, we might not end up being able to do all of it, but this is what we're aiming for.' In that case, I'd much rather vote for the party that seems to be looking at improving the quality of life for the vast majority of people in the country. Also, if something is on a manifesto, there is a principle that the Lords will not block any bill which is an enactment of a manifesto pledge. So if Labour get voted in and their manifest says they will renationalise the Railways or abolish the Tories Health and Social Care Act then the Lords will not block it. It's therefore important to have policies on all areas that you want to address over the next 5 years.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 May 17 11.36am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
What? This makes no sense. The whole point of investment is it has long term benefits. They're not suggesting just digging holes and filling them back in again. Building a hospital (£350m a week is now available for that) provides jobs in construction now and improved health and productivity in the future. 2008-2012 was exactly when government spending was most needed!! Austerity is so damaging and utterly discredited. It's not only theory. The evidence is clear as well. Ok well it doesn't increase growth as much as investment and expansion of industry. Both are essential of course. I didn't hear a single audience member on QT last night pipe up when one of the panel said more austerity would be the eventual outcome of Scottish independence. Even the the female SNP MP kept quiet.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 12 May 17 11.41am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I too am not disagreeing with doing it now. I would and did disagree with it during the Tory/Lib Dem coalition however. I am disillusioned with all of this. I want Brexit but I want some UK meaningful policies and perhaps some pinching of other partys' policies. Tories offer the former but little of the latter I predict. Labour go silent on Brexit and Corbyn cannot, when questioned, we'll actually leave, even though article 50 has been triggered. The swaying public want Brexit, but probably want progressive policies as well, even though they're not saying both, but can't trust a party that'll try and satisfy every requirement going. Oh that s me, although I am saying both. I bet there's plenty more too. Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 May 2017 11.13am)
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I feel your pain....I'm very similar| Lyons550 Shirley 12 May 17 11.47am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
This was pretty comprehensively disproved yesterday on this very thread. I wouldnt say it was disproved...as you,I and others have pointed out in various ways everyone has an angle. It was however a very interesting article...but even on the article looking through the comments (ignoring the blatantly politically biased ones) that tried to interpret the data further...there was more than enough doubt as to the context within which the data used dealt with other extenuating drivers / factors for both sides figures. As an analyst myself that was clear to see...for anyone other than those happy to just accept the data on face value.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 12 May 17 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Apart from anything else a rail franchise is a for profit entity. So they must include an element of profit on ticket prices. Also some franchises, like southern rail, get paid by the government whether or not their service is sh**e and it's the taxpayer that has to foot the refunds for late running services.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 12 May 17 12.05pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
This was pretty comprehensively disproved yesterday on this very thread. You tell me then where all this dosh is coming from that comrade Corbyn is going to spend in his "plans"??
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 12 May 17 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I got as far as Julian Jessop, chief economist at the Thatcherite think tank the Institute of Economic Affairs..... before I took it with a pinch of salt. Ohh the irony.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 May 17 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by npn
If I may use your own tactic - which figures specifically do you disagree with? They're basing figures on something where the costings haven't been released.
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| Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 12 May 17 12.21pm |
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Does anybody know how much money the British government owes the rest of the world on a net, aggregated basis, and how that has evolved over the past half a century? Same question for our net import/exports of goods and services. Aren't answers to these questions the driving forces for every single decision this country has to make and, by extension, who we vote for? I know we can probably carry on as we are for many years with our current economic `model' (Willo-style quote marks deliberate) if we're lucky, but at some point this bites us when those whose stuff we buy find we are not a good market, or those who lend us money start thinking they wouldn't mind it back?
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| Lyons550 Shirley 12 May 17 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
Does anybody know how much money the British government owes the rest of the world on a net, aggregated basis, and how that has evolved over the past half a century? Same question for our net import/exports of goods and services. Aren't answers to these questions the driving forces for every single decision this country has to make and, by extension, who we vote for? I know we can probably carry on as we are for many years with our current economic `model' (Willo-style quote marks deliberate) if we're lucky, but at some point this bites us when those whose stuff we buy find we are not a good market, or those who lend us money start thinking they wouldn't mind it back? Have you asked Google?
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