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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Feb 19 12.21pm
I have to say that quite simply, I was always pro-Brexit And I live in the EU. However, the government, the EU and the media are making me think that, currently, it isn't worth it. Better the devil you know (are already part of). The worst offenders are our government, spineless and clueless, without direction and without any strategy; they are becoming a laughing stock. If the EU can bully you, you have a serious problem. The EU are foolish, bureaucratic and largely disconnected from real people and that has to change but at least there is stability currently. I always looked at Brexit as a wonderful opportunity to be free of red-tape and let Britain forge ahead. It is becoming clear that current politicians and, dare I also include business people in this, are not willing or able to take this opportunity. I know I will get some flak for this but currently Brexit seems a shambles. Best to come away with something - like Dunkirk perhaps. Postpone Brexit, sort out domestic strategy and wait for the inevitable other major EU country to want out. Then force the EU's hand. This is too rushed at present and too divisive. I don't think Brexiteers are anywhere near a majority now. It is not their fault. Politicians have let this opportunity slip by. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Feb 19 12.21pm

I have to say that quite simply, I was always pro-Brexit And I live in the EU. However, the government, the EU and the media are making me think that, currently, it isn't worth it. Better the devil you know (are already part of).
The worst offenders are our government, spineless and clueless, without direction and without any strategy; they are becoming a laughing stock. If the EU can bully you, you have a serious problem.
The EU are foolish, bureaucratic and largely disconnected from real people and that has to change but at least there is stability currently.
I always looked at Brexit as a wonderful opportunity to be free of red-tape and let Britain forge ahead. It is becoming clear that current politicians and, dare I also include business people in this, are not willing or able to take this opportunity.
I know I will get some flak for this but currently Brexit seems a shambles. Best to come away with something - like Dunkirk perhaps. Postpone Brexit, sort out domestic strategy and wait for the inevitable other major EU country to want out. Then force the EU's hand. This is too rushed at present and too divisive. I don't think Brexiteers are anywhere near a majority now. It is not their fault. Politicians have let this opportunity slip by.

Red and Blue Army!

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cpfc_chap koh samui 20 Feb 19 12.22pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I would like to see that statement please, do you have a link? This one I guess [Link]
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koh samui 20 Feb 19 12.22pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I would like to see that statement please, do you have a link?

This one I guess

[Link]

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Midlands Eagle 20 Feb 19 12.24pm
Originally posted by cpfc_chap This one I guess [Link] And for the sake of the terminally stupid I will post the following extract from their statement:- "Honda said the move was due to global changes in the car industry and the need to launch electric vehicles, and it had nothing to do with Brexit."
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20 Feb 19 12.24pm

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Originally posted by cpfc_chap

This one I guess

[Link]

And for the sake of the terminally stupid I will post the following extract from their statement:-

"Honda said the move was due to global changes in the car industry and the need to launch electric vehicles, and it had nothing to do with Brexit."

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Mapletree Croydon 20 Feb 19 12.26pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle And for the sake of the terminally stupid I will post the following extract from their statement:- "Honda said the move was due to global changes in the car industry and the need to launch electric vehicles, and it had nothing to do with Brexit." No, that isn't a statement from Honda. It is the transcript of an interview If you read the interview carefully it doesn't say Brexit was not a factor, only that they would have coped had the issue been Brexit alone and not compounded (my word) by other global trends. Edited by Mapletree (20 Feb 2019 12.28pm)
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Croydon 20 Feb 19 12.26pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

And for the sake of the terminally stupid I will post the following extract from their statement:-

"Honda said the move was due to global changes in the car industry and the need to launch electric vehicles, and it had nothing to do with Brexit."

No, that isn't a statement from Honda. It is the transcript of an interview

If you read the interview carefully it doesn't say Brexit was not a factor, only that they would have coped had the issue been Brexit alone and not compounded (my word) by other global trends.

Edited by Mapletree (20 Feb 2019 12.28pm)

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Stirlingsays 20 Feb 19 12.27pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I have to say that quite simply, I was always pro-Brexit And I live in the EU. However, the government, the EU and the media are making me think that, currently, it isn't worth it. Better the devil you know (are already part of). The worst offenders are our government, spineless and clueless, without direction and without any strategy; they are becoming a laughing stock. If the EU can bully you, you have a serious problem. The EU are foolish, bureaucratic and largely disconnected from real people and that has to change but at least there is stability currently. I always looked at Brexit as a wonderful opportunity to be free of red-tape and let Britain forge ahead. It is becoming clear that current politicians and, dare I also include business people in this, are not willing or able to take this opportunity. I know I will get some flak for this but currently Brexit seems a shambles. Best to come away with something - like Dunkirk perhaps. Postpone Brexit, sort out domestic strategy and wait for the inevitable other major EU country to want out. Then force the EU's hand. This is too rushed at present and too divisive. I don't think Brexiteers are anywhere near a majority now. It is not their fault. Politicians have let this opportunity slip by. Man overboard. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Feb 19 12.27pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Man overboard.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Midlands Eagle 20 Feb 19 12.28pm
Originally posted by Mapletree If you read the interview carefully it doesn't say Brexit was not a factor, only that they would have coped had the issue been Brexit alone and not other global trends. Are you arguing with yourself?
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Midlands Eagle

20 Feb 19 12.28pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

If you read the interview carefully it doesn't say Brexit was not a factor, only that they would have coped had the issue been Brexit alone and not other global trends.

Are you arguing with yourself?

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Feb 19 12.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Man overboard. I thought you would at least call me a pants-wetter. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Feb 19 12.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Man overboard.

I thought you would at least call me a pants-wetter.

Red and Blue Army!

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Mapletree Croydon 20 Feb 19 12.31pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Are you arguing with yourself? As you know, I am the most argumentative person on the HOL But no. Any statement that Brexit had nothing to do with Honda's decision is 'fanciful'. It was one of the factors. The Japanese are always careful what they say and we will never find out if it was a minor or a major reason. But it was in the mix.
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Croydon 20 Feb 19 12.31pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Are you arguing with yourself?

As you know, I am the most argumentative person on the HOL

But no. Any statement that Brexit had nothing to do with Honda's decision is 'fanciful'. It was one of the factors. The Japanese are always careful what they say and we will never find out if it was a minor or a major reason. But it was in the mix.

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Stirlingsays 20 Feb 19 12.35pm
Originally posted by Mapletree No, that isn't a statement from Honda. It is the transcript of an interview If you read the interview carefully it doesn't say Brexit was not a factor, only that they would have coped had the issue been Brexit alone and not other global trends. Well, that makes sense to me. If this was about Brexit they wouldn't' be moving all their production back to Japan by 2021 and instead would re-direct it within Europe. As usual those with agendas want to overstate their case. Wages continue to rise since Brexit was announced and unemployment continues to drop. I've heard nothing but disasters predicted by remainers from before the referendum and after it..... yet there continues to be a gap between what they say and reality on the ground. Attachment: realstats.JPG (37.03Kb) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Feb 19 12.35pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

No, that isn't a statement from Honda. It is the transcript of an interview

If you read the interview carefully it doesn't say Brexit was not a factor, only that they would have coped had the issue been Brexit alone and not other global trends.

Well, that makes sense to me.

If this was about Brexit they wouldn't' be moving all their production back to Japan by 2021 and instead would re-direct it within Europe.

As usual those with agendas want to overstate their case.

Wages continue to rise since Brexit was announced and unemployment continues to drop.

I've heard nothing but disasters predicted by remainers from before the referendum and after it..... yet there continues to be a gap between what they say and reality on the ground.

Attachment: realstats.JPG (37.03Kb)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 20 Feb 19 12.38pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I thought you would at least call me a pants-wetter. Well, that's inevitable if you're overboard. You might be right about the establishment succeeding in wrecking Brexit from happening.....but to be honest if they do manage to succeed in doing that.....I can't see things being any better. In the meantime the EU is very close to recession. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Feb 19 12.38pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I thought you would at least call me a pants-wetter.

Well, that's inevitable if you're overboard.

You might be right about the establishment succeeding in wrecking Brexit from happening.....but to be honest if they do manage to succeed in doing that.....I can't see things being any better.

In the meantime the EU is very close to recession.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 20 Feb 19 12.45pm
'Customers could see higher prices and less choice as a result of the proposed merger between Sainsbury's and Asda.' [Link] No mention of Brexit to blame. Surely a first?
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Penge Eagle

Beckenham 20 Feb 19 12.45pm

'Customers could see higher prices and less choice as a result of the proposed merger between Sainsbury's and Asda.' [Link]

No mention of Brexit to blame. Surely a first?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 20 Feb 19 1.27pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle 'Customers could see higher prices and less choice as a result of the proposed merger between Sainsbury's and Asda.' [Link] No mention of Brexit to blame. Surely a first? Well, it’s refreshing to see a government agency actually acting in the public interest for a change. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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