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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Feb 24 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't think it's true that people haven't commented on nor care about what is happening in that land space.

Opinions about this are of course fine either way. However, personally I don't think a 'deaths threats' are just 'part and parcel' attitude is particularly healthy myself....then again these are the realities of mass immigration that most of these people voted for anyway.

However, the parliament is the voters, they pay for it. They pay the wages of those attending it. They have a say in who sits in it.

Hence it is far more their concern than what goes on between foreigners in the middle east. Events they can't affect anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Feb 2024 11.39am)

Agreed. I rarely comment on the conflict itself because I don't have the knowledge or expertise and more importantly I don't have any solutions, neither does any else from what I can see.

It is a tragedy unfortunately there is a lot of that about in this world of ours.

However as the poster above says the issue with the Speaker does resonate i thought we had seen the last of biased Speakers sadly I think not.

Hoyle should have allowed the SNP to have their way as it is their day. He could have allowed Labour an emergency debate the following day where they could have tabled their motions.

Labour could then have abstained on the SNP motion making the point they would vote on their own one tomorrow.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 23 Feb 24 12.10pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

I think the issue is - in answer to your last paragraph - is that the parliamentary mayhem affects us, the British electorate; the Gaza situation is not something which we have control over. If the UK government voted for an immediate ceasefire do you think that either the Israelis or the protesters would say “okay” and go home? Of course not, so why do we allow ourselves to be sucked into a debate that just causes further division within our multicultural society? We can be sympathetic to either or both sides in the conflict but it shouldn’t be taking up any time in our parliamentary process.

A military ally of ours is currently committing a ‘plausible genocide’ and we’re just meant to crack on? It’s the most pressing concern for an enormous number of the electorate currently, and that should absolutely be reflected in Parliament.

I don’t ever recall this being a view previously - we have been involved and involved ourselves in so many international conflicts, humanitarian causes and general issues around the world in my lifetime, but now we say it’s nothing to do with us? It seems very inconsistent.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Feb 24 12.11pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed. I rarely comment on the conflict itself because I don't have the knowledge or expertise and more importantly I don't have any solutions, neither does any else from what I can see.

It is a tragedy unfortunately there is a lot of that about in this world of ours.

However as the poster above says the issue with the Speaker does resonate i thought we had seen the last of biased Speakers sadly I think not.

Hoyle should have allowed the SNP to have their way as it is their day. He could have allowed Labour an emergency debate the following day where they could have tabled their motions.

Labour could then have abstained on the SNP motion making the point they would vote on their own one tomorrow.

Indeed, what he did was weak.

I remember Betty Boothroyd I bet she wouldn't have done this.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 23 Feb 24 12.11pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed. I rarely comment on the conflict itself because I don't have the knowledge or expertise and more importantly I don't have any solutions, neither does any else from what I can see.

It is a tragedy unfortunately there is a lot of that about in this world of ours.

However as the poster above says the issue with the Speaker does resonate i thought we had seen the last of biased Speakers sadly I think not.

Hoyle should have allowed the SNP to have their way as it is their day. He could have allowed Labour an emergency debate the following day where they could have tabled their motions.

Labour could then have abstained on the SNP motion making the point they would vote on their own one tomorrow.

Fair enough - kudos for the explanation.

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Feb 24 12.33pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

A military ally of ours is currently committing a ‘plausible genocide’ and we’re just meant to crack on? It’s the most pressing concern for an enormous number of the electorate currently, and that should absolutely be reflected in Parliament.

I don’t ever recall this being a view previously - we have been involved and involved ourselves in so many international conflicts, humanitarian causes and general issues around the world in my lifetime, but now we say it’s nothing to do with us? It seems very inconsistent.

Genuinely Israel just aren't that much of an ally to the UK anymore. It wouldn't be giving any secrets away by me to state that Saudi Arabia, for instance, amongst other Arab states are buying British equipment. In fact bombing the Yemen with it. Israel honestly buys more from India than the UK to put it into perspective. The Israel as allies thing is through the US these days. And, in this case, I suspect we will see Britain break ranks with the US on this one - if we haven't already - whether we like it or not.
I believe some of the protests are just lumping Britain in with the US but it isn't really true if anyone considers the overall history and current situation in the Middle East. Had you said the same thing in the 60s, 70s, 80s even I would have agreed with you but Britain's influence is not exactly that worrying to Israel now. Even then, had we criticised them, they'd just buy from someone else. Leaving us a rather Pyrrhic moral victory but little else.
I suspect, one way or another, we all thought that one day there would be a savage war with Israel stomping someone. The best side usually wins, regardless of morals. It's horrible, disgraceful even, but it's the harsh truth.
I wish it wouldn't spread to any of us but, for instance, the Paris Olympics are this year. I shudder to think of the security costs and what could happen. Are we supposed to think that that's fine? Yes, we deserve to be blown up because Israel is more western than other middle eastern countries? It's beyond ridiculous that this is being played out on our streets and will continue and escalate whilst our politicians glibly pass meaningless motions and station a battalion of soldiers for there own security.

 


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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 23 Feb 24 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

A military ally of ours is currently committing a ‘plausible genocide’ and we’re just meant to crack on? It’s the most pressing concern for an enormous number of the electorate currently, and that should absolutely be reflected in Parliament.

I don’t ever recall this being a view previously - we have been involved and involved ourselves in so many international conflicts, humanitarian causes and general issues around the world in my lifetime, but now we say it’s nothing to do with us? It seems very inconsistent.

I can only assume that you are financially comfortable enough not to be bothered by the cost of living crisis and therefore that aspect has been pushed off the top of the list of your concerns. I think most normal people are worried about how they are going to pay bills rather than two tribes killing each other several thousand miles away. But that is your view which I understand.

Just because the uk government has got involved previously doesn’t mean that they always have to. The priority for the uk government is their own people.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Feb 24 12.51pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Indeed, what he did was weak.

I remember Betty Boothroyd I bet she wouldn't have done this.

She would have chinned Starmer and Sue Gray just for good measure. And then if the Tories had started gloating she would have threaten them with the same.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Feb 24 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

We need to stop worrying about Gaza and concern ourselves with the Islamist threat to our safely and democracy.
Here we are in 2024 and all the things predicted are coming true.

It really makes the idea that the far right is a serious threat look utterly ridiculous.

Where is Sadiq Kahn's disgust at the Hamas supporters threatening Parliament?

No, he'd rather criticise Suella Braverman.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Feb 2024 1.33pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Feb 24 1.32pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No, I completely agree, all religions were and...outside of the first world, still are maintained by the sword. Only Islam still does that wide scale in the modern world however.

Not all religions are the same.

Name me the the modern Christian nation that was 99 percent Christian?

There aren't....So forgive me If I don't find this particular intervention somewhat annoying to have to make.


Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Feb 2024 10.55am)

Often it was about political convenience.
It was a way to gain favour and smooth relations with other entities.
I'd say that politics is still far more significant in our tolerance of Islam.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 23 Feb 24 1.40pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

For years Tory politicians have been subjected to harassment, threats and abuse by the left. When this has been pointed out people either laugh, say they deserve it or claim that the Tory is lying.

Well now Labour MPs are getting a dose of the same medicine and they don't like it.

Turning up at people's homes in a threatening manner is not an acceptable form of protest. I remember the idiots outside Rees Moggs home when he was taking his children to school. He behaved impeccably most of us would have thumped the man who he started talking to his very young son in a disgusting manner.

Politicians should be held to account for their decisions but bully boy tactics is not peaceful protest.

seems most of the protesters were middle class white Waitrose types

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 23 Feb 24 1.42pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I seriously don't get this.

The left make great play of how insignificant Britain is, how it isn't really a thing anyway. Look at how you yourself attacked Britain as opposed to the EU, saying that we are completely subservient.

Yet when it comes to political tribalism suddenly you think we matter in the world. I put it to you Steely that the rather more honest take that it doesn't matter at all what we say regarding the middle east.

The days when what we thought and said mattered were destroyed by both Labour and Conservatives in the 50s and 60s. Something you no doubt agreed with.

All this amounts to little more than virtue signalling and to me I just regard it as hubris and thus embarrassing.

Just as with all politicians, Israel only care about what their donors say. And even that only goes so far.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Feb 2024 10.07am)

He supports river to sea and the wiping out of Israel, what do you expect

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Feb 24 1.45pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Often it was about political convenience.
It was a way to gain favour and smooth relations with other entities.
I'd say that politics is still far more significant in our tolerance of Islam.

The strange death of Europe as it were.

At least we aren't speaking German...no, but eventually it'll be some other language.

 


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