And why would they do that?....It's getting a bit gamey....I think you are just avoiding the rather obvious conclusions regarding the naturally exploitative aspects of human nature here.

Like I've said, thousands of years ago...it didn't exist within a mass form that would convince people to behave radically different to their natures.

Like I said, slavery and a strong reaction against the 'outsider' (immigration) was the natural state of societies everywhere.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You’re obviously trying to lead me down some path but I don’t know where it’s going.

A lot of the propaganda in terms of colonial slavery, as an example, was about convincing slavers and traders and whoever else that these people are racially inferior and subhuman - it’s certainly not human nature to want to kill and torture fellows human beings, and you’re only going to get thousands of people willing to do that when you believe the ‘enemy’ is not even of the same species and have that ‘fact’ presented and reinforced.

I’d consider killing another person the most unnatural (ie. Against human nature) thing you can do - you are arguing that people’s feelings of tribalism are so strong and so natural that it overcomes any aversion to taking a life, all on its own.

I couldn’t disagree any more.

Very true. The thick racist Brexiters insult failed abysmally. I expect you’ll struggle to find many southern Italians and Greeks being elated that thousands of Africans and Middle East Muslims are arriving every week, especially after Merkel pretty much encouraged it. But if you’re English you’re a thick old gammon and when you die it’ll be perfect. We’ll see on that one. I suppose if their offspring are what they now call ‘privileged’ they won’t care about those who would’ve fallen under the once ‘British jobs for British workers’ left wing slogans. Nah, they never cared about them anyway. More likely look down on them voting for the fresh and progressive Blairite party.

COYP

The view that murder is abhorrent? That’s not a recent take - look at the setting of laws domestically at that time, or even specific to slavery there are countless examples of diaries, journal entries and letters where people express their disgust at what they are witnessing. There are also countless examples of people arriving to these places they’d heard about and being shocked at how ‘human’ and ‘normal’ the host population was - where did they get their preconceptions from?

Beyond that, you’re talking about the existence of tribalism which I’ve already acknowledged - the leap from a slight distrust of a new face in the pub to the murder and enslavement of whole communities is rather a large one.

I’d also maybe drop the patronising tone when you’re waffling out of your depth.

Hrolf is far better and funnier in expressing the stupidity of ongoing mass immigration. But if it’s (the negatives) out sight, it’s out of mind, or responsibility.

COYP

Hrolf is never, ever, funny.