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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 13 Dec 22 10.00am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

I am expecting a reply along the lines of " when I was advisor to the Emperor of Japan ".

A valid point that diversity is not global and almost non existent in many countries with huge populations such as China, India, Nigeria and Indonesia.

Edited by HKOwen (13 Dec 2022 10.04am)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 22 11.22am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Why would anyone be interested in why you " bought a business ", why do you keep adding supposed personal details that are not relevant.

Based on your reality I suspect the business was a a pitch at a car boot sale

and btw, you will find ethnicity has a lot to do with the horrendous behaviour in the grooming scandals nationwide as an example.

Edited by HKOwen (13 Dec 2022 9.02am)

If you bothered to read the proceeding messages you might understand the context. I used to live in the same town as the other poster with whom I am exchanging comparisons.

If you had read earlier messages from me you would know my business there was a children’s nursery. I have on occasions used my experiences there in comments, just I have done in my previous business, a care home, and my earlier business career in sales and marketing in the food and beverage industry. Nothing unusual in that. We have someone who is a plumber, a departed one a cab driver, an ex teacher and a retired border control officer. All draw on their knowledge to support points.

By the way ethnicity has nothing to do with grooming scandals. It is prejudice at its rawest to suggest otherwise. It is literally pre judging people.

Religious teaching might have something to do with it. Peer influence within groups might too, as might being regarded as unwelcome and being kept isolated and away from better influences.

Not though ethnicity. Judge people by what they do and not on what you think they might do.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Dec 2022 11.42am)

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Dec 22 12.10pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

George Carlin words ring even more true today than when he said them. We should remember them whenever the usual suspects start shouting about conspiracy theories.

Sure, some of them are nuts, but the idea that it doesn't go on at high levels is nothing short of gaslighting, as the recent Twitter files proved.

Many people called out social media on what it was doing and were called conspiracy theorists but they have been proven right.

Anyone who doesn't think the powerful conspire, whether they are your political tribe or not, is either lying or an idiot....and in my view some of them aren't idiots. The powerful rarely get to that position playing nice and ethical...they do whatever they think it takes and most of it is in the gutter. If they think they can get away with it they do it.

Anyway to the relevant Carlin clip....who was on the left politically.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2022 10.01am)

Sums up my views pretty well.

I don't believe in a global conspiracy by the Illuminati or some other secret body pulling the strings but as Carlson states the elites have a group think about what is best for them and rest of us.

Blair and now Sunak are just examples of the kind of person they want running the country next up it will be Starmer rinse and repeat.

 


One more point

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 13 Dec 22 12.14pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

"By the way ethnicity has nothing to do with grooming scandals. It is prejudice at its rawest to suggest otherwise. It is literally pre judging people."

It's a crazy coincidence the overwhelming majority of those convicted in the grooming scandal are of pakistani ethnicity.

This is a fact, not an opinion.

Mind boggling statement from you, but hey ho, if that's what you think then more power to you.

Edited by HKOwen (13 Dec 2022 12.18pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 22 5.20pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

"By the way ethnicity has nothing to do with grooming scandals. It is prejudice at its rawest to suggest otherwise. It is literally pre judging people."

It's a crazy coincidence the overwhelming majority of those convicted in the grooming scandal are of pakistani ethnicity.

This is a fact, not an opinion.

Mind boggling statement from you, but hey ho, if that's what you think then more power to you.

Edited by HKOwen (13 Dec 2022 12.18pm)

That it isn’t a coincidence is beyond question and is not, and never has been,. the point.

The point is that not all pakistanis are groomers. Indeed very few are. 50% are females to start with.

What we mustn’t do is ostracise an entire community by tarring them all with the same brush. We need to have the majority on our side and not force them into defending themselves against unwarranted attacks and untrue allegations. We need to separate the criminals from the vast majority who are law abiding, and not allow them to portray our determination to bring them to justice as an attack on their ethnicity, or religion.

Which is why I believe using ethnicity as a label to be counter productive. It’s just not a smart way to deal with a horrible issue, as it makes solving it harder.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 13 Dec 22 5.27pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That it isn’t a coincidence is beyond question and is not, and never has been,. the point.

The point is that not all pakistanis are groomers. Indeed very few are. 50% are females to start with.

What we mustn’t do is ostracise an entire community by tarring them all with the same brush. We need to have the majority on our side and not force them into defending themselves against unwarranted attacks and untrue allegations. We need to separate the criminals from the vast majority who are law abiding, and not allow them to portray our determination to bring them to justice as an attack on their ethnicity, or religion.

Which is why I believe using ethnicity as a label to be counter productive. It’s just not a smart way to deal with a horrible issue, as it makes solving it harder.

Surely denying an obvious commonality is making solving it harder?

These topics are sensitive and I'll admit there is some grey between stereotyping and accepting a commonality, but pretending the link doesn't exist or refusing to acknowledge it is not the solution.

When it was priests and brothers in Ireland, it wasn't helpful to point out 'but it's not all priests'

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Dec 22 6.07pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That it isn’t a coincidence is beyond question and is not, and never has been,. the point.

The point is that not all pakistanis are groomers. Indeed very few are. 50% are females to start with.

What we mustn’t do is ostracise an entire community by tarring them all with the same brush. We need to have the majority on our side and not force them into defending themselves against unwarranted attacks and untrue allegations. We need to separate the criminals from the vast majority who are law abiding, and not allow them to portray our determination to bring them to justice as an attack on their ethnicity, or religion.

Which is why I believe using ethnicity as a label to be counter productive. It’s just not a smart way to deal with a horrible issue, as it makes solving it harder.

Who does that?

You keep saying it, I've never met anybody serious who has ever suggested all the Islamic community are involved in fiddling kids.

It's just a myth you make up.

 


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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 13 Dec 22 7.05pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That it isn’t a coincidence is beyond question and is not, and never has been,. the point.

The point is that not all pakistanis are groomers. Indeed very few are. 50% are females to start with.

What we mustn’t do is ostracise an entire community by tarring them all with the same brush. We need to have the majority on our side and not force them into defending themselves against unwarranted attacks and untrue allegations. We need to separate the criminals from the vast majority who are law abiding, and not allow them to portray our determination to bring them to justice as an attack on their ethnicity, or religion.

Which is why I believe using ethnicity as a label to be counter productive. It’s just not a smart way to deal with a horrible issue, as it makes solving it harder.


I do admire your ability to ignore facts when there is a pattern. Look how women are expected to walk behind their men in certain cultures and those same cultures seem to groom young girls. Add to that that most of their victims are from different cultures and the pattern becomes more worrying. Consequently if there appears to be a pattern then it is relevant. But you can look the other way if it suits you.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 13 Dec 22 9.38pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That it isn’t a coincidence is beyond question and is not, and never has been,. the point.

The point is that not all pakistanis are groomers. Indeed very few are. 50% are females to start with.

What we mustn’t do is ostracise an entire community by tarring them all with the same brush. We need to have the majority on our side and not force them into defending themselves against unwarranted attacks and untrue allegations. We need to separate the criminals from the vast majority who are law abiding, and not allow them to portray our determination to bring them to justice as an attack on their ethnicity, or religion.

Which is why I believe using ethnicity as a label to be counter productive. It’s just not a smart way to deal with a horrible issue, as it makes solving it harder.

In short, your pronouncement was totally wrong and now you are back tracking, not the first time time and I would wager not the last.

You really do come up with some word salad rubbish but more power to you.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 13 Dec 22 9.39pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Surely denying an obvious commonality is making solving it harder?

These topics are sensitive and I'll admit there is some grey between stereotyping and accepting a commonality, but pretending the link doesn't exist or refusing to acknowledge it is not the solution.

When it was priests and brothers in Ireland, it wasn't helpful to point out 'but it's not all priests'

Agree with this, the Catholic church issue was global of course so not really ethnically driven.

WE would be the go to on this, the Catholic media tremble at his approach ( in his imagination )

Edited by HKOwen (13 Dec 2022 9.40pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 22 11.52pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Surely denying an obvious commonality is making solving it harder?

These topics are sensitive and I'll admit there is some grey between stereotyping and accepting a commonality, but pretending the link doesn't exist or refusing to acknowledge it is not the solution.

When it was priests and brothers in Ireland, it wasn't helpful to point out 'but it's not all priests'

It wasn't though, just priests and brothers. The malaise went deep into the Catholic Church, infecting people at many levels and covered by a conspiracy of silence.

I have less problem with describing these criminals as being "men of pakistani origin" than describing them as "pakistani grooming gangs". Some may think that's just semantics, but I think the emphasis makes a big difference in the way the many decent pakistani people would react.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 22 11.59pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

In short, your pronouncement was totally wrong and now you are back tracking, not the first time time and I would wager not the last.

You really do come up with some word salad rubbish but more power to you.

Nonsense. I am just elaborating the reasoning and setting things in their context. I have though known brick walls more mailable than some views found here.

Which is why it is sometimes necessary to accept that some people will never accept an alternative view exists, so need to be allowed to wallow quietly in their little pools of discontent.

 


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