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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 20 9.37am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But there’s no guarantee that’s going to happen. What should be done if the situation hasn’t improved in twenty years? This approach has patently failed fin the past so what’s changed? You too should read this report which is on the BBC website today. It concerns the "Prevent" initiative and the responses of various communities to it. It shows that things ARE being done and that the approach is regarded well within the Muslim community, albeit with some reservations and recommendations on how to improve it. It's not all doom and gloom and my own suggestion, to stop using a blanket description when referring to the "grooming gangs", seems to me to be a sensible supportive step. Let's see if that is an outcome:-
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 20 9.40am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Arresting criminals isn’t stigmatising a whole community. The decisions taken then were incorrect but that policy is the one being advocated. It's not the arrest of the criminals that is doing any stigmatisation. It's the use of "Muslim" or "Islamic" in the way the way the grooming gangs" are described in the media, both written, broadcast and online.
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 02 Mar 20 9.57am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's not the arrest of the criminals that is doing any stigmatisation. It's the use of "Muslim" or "Islamic" in the way the way the grooming gangs" are described in the media, both written, broadcast and online. Given that the reasons these people consider young white girls as acceptable targets are determined by their interpretation of their faith, it is entirely appropriate to attach descriptors such as those. To not do so is to deliberately deflect from the reality of the situation.
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| Midlands Eagle 02 Mar 20 10.00am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The huge increase in numbers suggest that something is wrong. I saw a woman from a gender reassignment charity being interviewed and she said that if the outcome of this case would be to stop gender re-assignment treatment for anyone under 18 it would probably result in a large increase in suicides
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Mar 20 10.06am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I saw a woman from a gender reassignment charity being interviewed and she said that if the outcome of this case would be to stop gender re-assignment treatment for anyone under 18 it would probably result in a large increase in suicides
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 20 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Given that the reasons these people consider young white girls as acceptable targets are determined by their interpretation of their faith, it is entirely appropriate to attach descriptors such as those. To not do so is to deliberately deflect from the reality of the situation.
No it isn't "entirely appropriate"! "These people" are evil criminals who deserve all the condemnation it is possible to make. That they might try to justify what they do because of a particular interpretation of their faith doesn't mean that their faith is at fault and certainly not that all who hold it are culpable. By describing the gangs as "Muslim" or "Islamic" is to play straight into the hands of those who wish to portray the Islamic community as under attack and to radicalise it even more than it is now. We need to be wiser and more restrained and not allow ourselves to be goaded by evil men who seek to destroy our culture. Knee jerk reactions are rarely sensible and this one has been going on for a long time.
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Teddy Eagle  02 Mar 20 6.36pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's not the arrest of the criminals that is doing any stigmatisation. It's the use of "Muslim" or "Islamic" in the way the way the grooming gangs" are described in the media, both written, broadcast and online. But, as has been pointed out many times, that is their background.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 02 Mar 20 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it isn't "entirely appropriate"! "These people" are evil criminals who deserve all the condemnation it is possible to make. That they might try to justify what they do because of a particular interpretation of their faith doesn't mean that their faith is at fault and certainly not that all who hold it are culpable. By describing the gangs as "Muslim" or "Islamic" is to play straight into the hands of those who wish to portray the Islamic community as under attack and to radicalise it even more than it is now. We need to be wiser and more restrained and not allow ourselves to be goaded by evil men who seek to destroy our culture. Knee jerk reactions are rarely sensible and this one has been going on for a long time. Are you sure? Is it really logical to say that their religion is not a problem because the majority are law abiding?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 20 8.30pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But, as has been pointed out many times, that is their background. And, as I have pointed out many times, not all, or indeed many, from that background are involved. Just ask your self this. How would all Christians, of every denomination, feel if the hate filled activities of the Westboro Baptist Church were simply described as being by a "Christian hate group"?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 20 8.40pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Are you sure? Is it really logical to say that their religion is not a problem because the majority are law abiding? Indoctrination being dangerous is unarguable. As is that those that justify their criminal activities because of a particular interpretation of a religious belief need to have that interpretation challenged and unequivocally denied. Preferably by the religion involved! None of which justifies lumping all those who share the same religion into the same basket.
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cryrst  The garden of England 02 Mar 20 8.44pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
And, as I have pointed out many times, not all, or indeed many, from that background are involved. Just ask your self this. How would all Christians, of every denomination, feel if the hate filled activities of the Westboro Baptist Church were simply described as being by a "Christian hate group"? Nah I wouldn't care because I would trust the public not to tar all of us with the same brush.
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| Teddy Eagle 02 Mar 20 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
And, as I have pointed out many times, not all, or indeed many, from that background are involved. Just ask your self this. How would all Christians, of every denomination, feel if the hate filled activities of the Westboro Baptist Church were simply described as being by a "Christian hate group"? Firstly, they usually are described as Christian hate groups (Google news search for the last 24 hours brings up 50 results) and secondly I don’t think innocent people care. The same as a conservative voter doesn’t get too bothered about someone else being described as a Right Wing thug. There may be some resentment but no one is talking of radicalisation over the issue.
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