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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 5.55pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Dipping into the video by Professor Tucker Kellogg won’t give you sufficient insight to make an accurate judgement on the authenticity of Dr John Campbell. You need to devote some time and watch it all. Only then will the true picture emerge.

This isn’t academic nit picking. This is a really serious analysis of deliberate deception, distortion and the spreading of misinformation.

The only conclusion to be drawn is he cannot be trusted. Here it is again:-

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One of the things Campbell is frequently complimented on is his use of WHO statistics on excess deaths and his questioning of the reason for these, often raising an eyebrow when dropping a large hint that it might be the responsibility of the vaccines.

Dr Tucker Kellogg interviewed at length Ariel Karlinsky, who is the guy who produced the statistics used by the WHO. If anyone understands what they are, and what they reveal, it ought to be him! This is another extremely interesting and informative interview, although again very long. Here it is:-

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Mattconrov Flag 10 Aug 23 6.05pm Send a Private Message to Mattconrov Add Mattconrov as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

He was reassuringly expensive anyway.


I notice that Wisbech is trying to discredit people looking for answers. With Dr Campbell as being a con artist or words to the effect.

I'm not the greatest fan of Campbells. However there were many experts I linked to on previous pages that would agree with Campbell and not have his baggage. This in my opinion would be a greater use of time.

Wisbech is trying to get you to discuss Campbell the man not the facts. That's because Wisbech has nothing else to sell you.

You've already seen the truth of things anyway.

Edited by Mattconrov (10 Aug 2023 7.11pm)

 


" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 8.12pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mattconrov


And there was me thinking it was a group of mega greedy pharma executives in legion with our politicans - many who will be going through the revolving door of business and government.

It was my fault all the time. Lol.

I think my two houses are enough for me thank you Wisbech.That's all the cleverness I need. Plus I kept my soul.

Let' hope due to people like you, I don't lose my two houses. (See WEF and the great reset for more information.

Those who consume conspiracy theories as readily as you do are destined to suffer the effects of regurgitating bs. I hope you feel OK because you seem to be suffering a lot. We have regulations and oversight to control corruption which is delivered by the politicians we choose.

So yes, if there is any significant corruption, which I doubt, it’s our fault.

That you are another who see the WEF and the great reset as a conspiracy theory doesn’t surprise me. It fits well with all the other ideas you have. The WEF are a very necessary body in today’s complicated interconnected world.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Aug 23 8.24pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those who consume conspiracy theories as readily as you do are destined to suffer the effects of regurgitating bs. I hope you feel OK because you seem to be suffering a lot. We have regulations and oversight to control corruption which is delivered by the politicians we choose.

So yes, if there is any significant corruption, which I doubt, it’s our fault.

That you are another who see the WEF and the great reset as a conspiracy theory doesn’t surprise me. It fits well with all the other ideas you have. The WEF are a very necessary body in today’s complicated interconnected world.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory. Businesses closed, jobs were lost and educations suffered as well as there being ongoing mental health problems for many. And now we're not supposed to even question the wisdom of any of this. You can accept it without question but please allow others the right to do so.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 8.27pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mattconrov


Totally disingenuous. You know how those reports of covid deaths were reported on the news and by the government every day. They never explained about underlying conditions. That would have affected the fear factor and detracted from their lying.

You've got yourself in a right twist as normal. Let me untwist you.

As you quite rightly said there were underlying conditions on the certificate. Hence only 4 recorded deaths from covid as reported by the great David icke ( he hadn't requested the info by the way but was only reporting it) no need to divert the information.

The one percent of deaths is a lot. But that 1 percent (less actually) included the majority of people who would have sadly died anyway.

How did we get our covid death figures that were reported on our TV screens every night. A PCR test that if recorded positive enabled the authorities to count the death of a person as covid 19 if they died within 28 days - and as those people were either coming in or were in hospital already they would have had a test. That's a lot of tests. A lot of asymptomatic positive tests for covid, tested on cancer and heart attack patients.

Wow you still don't get it. Incredible.

So according to you it wasn't the terminal cancer, the heart attack or brain tumour. It was the flu that killed them. Maybe it was the final Straw, but they were dying anyway.

Check out the average age of death. Surely that shines some light for you. It probably won't though

Edited by Mattconrov (10 Aug 2023 5.36pm)

As I have already tried to tell you several times the way the data was recorded was to try to establish a consistent method that enabled trends and patterns to be determined. How they were reported, especially in the early days, is another debate. More recently it has been the number of excess deaths over a comparable period, after making do allowances for known variables, that has been used. This permits a much more accurate global picture to been seen, given the huge differences in the way data was collected or, as in many instances, either not collected at all or misrepresented by some governments. Those excess deaths are still being seen.

We will all die. If we die earlier than we would have done without catching Covid does that not matter? That the most affected were the elderly is inevitable. They are the most vulnerable, but they weren’t alone. Would you just not bother because they are going to go sometime soon anyway? Maybe you favour compulsory euthanasia after 10 years of retirement!

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 8.32pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It wasn't up to the country to close down for months either, particularly following the recommendation of someone with such a poor record.
If it's a diversion then ignore it. Maybe he's being economical with the truth which is acceptable for politicians but not for a YouTuber.

Campbell is not being economical with the truth for reasons of security or public health. Reasons that can be defended as being for the public good.

He is misrepresenting and misleading those already infected by conspiracy theories for personal gain.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 8.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mattconrov


I notice that Wisbech is trying to discredit people looking for answers. With Dr Campbell as being a con artist or words to the effect.

I'm not the greatest fan of Campbells. However there were many experts I linked to on previous pages that would agree with Campbell and not have his baggage. This in my opinion would be a greater use of time.

Wisbech is trying to get you to discuss Campbell the man not the facts. That's because Wisbech has nothing else to sell you.

You've already seen the truth of things anyway.

Edited by Mattconrov (10 Aug 2023 7.11pm)

I have no need to discredit Campbell. He does that himself. All I do is post links to people better qualified and better able to explain how he is doing it than I am myself.

If other people are doing the same, then they too risk being discredited, although the possibility of genuine misunderstandings exist. Some may follow Campbell.

I am only interested in the facts. Campbell as a man has little or no interest for me, other than in the way it impacts the way he operates.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Aug 23 8.41pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Campbell is not being economical with the truth for reasons of security or public health. Reasons that can be defended as being for the public good.

He is misrepresenting and misleading those already infected by conspiracy theories for personal gain.

Bad lies instead of good lies. Right.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 8.51pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not everything is a conspiracy theory. Businesses closed, jobs were lost and educations suffered as well as there being ongoing mental health problems for many. And now we're not supposed to even question the wisdom of any of this. You can accept it without question but please allow others the right to do so.

I didn’t suggest everything is a conspiracy theory. It was known that lockdowns would incur heavy costs, some of which could not have accurately predicted as no one knew how long they would be needed or when the vaccines would be available. The judgement was what seemed the least bad option, and we made a decision. We don’t know if another way would have been better, because we didn’t do it. It’s all hypothetical posturing.

I regard the endless claims of those who opposed the way we did things that their way would been better as a pointless waste of time. Let the arguments be put to the enquiry and any lessons for the future be learned from that.

Questioning the wisdom over and over again in echo chambers might confirm the prejudices of the know it all, but doesn’t actually achieve anything.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 8.53pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Bad lies instead of good lies. Right.

You can be economical with the truth without lying. White lies do exist though. We all tell them sometimes.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn’t suggest everything is a conspiracy theory. It was known that lockdowns would incur heavy costs, some of which could not have accurately predicted as no one knew how long they would be needed or when the vaccines would be available. The judgement was what seemed the least bad option, and we made a decision. We don’t know if another way would have been better, because we didn’t do it. It’s all hypothetical posturing.

I regard the endless claims of those who opposed the way we did things that their way would been better as a pointless waste of time. Let the arguments be put to the enquiry and any lessons for the future be learned from that.

Questioning the wisdom over and over again in echo chambers might confirm the prejudices of the know it all, but doesn’t actually achieve anything.

Nor does trying to shut down any discussion and expecting everyone to blindly accept what they're told all the time by people you freely admit aren't always truthful. That's a curious take on democracy.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Nor does trying to shut down any discussion and expecting everyone to blindly accept what they're told all the time by people you freely admit aren't always truthful. That's a curious take on democracy.

I am not doing that though, am I?

I am saying it's a pointless waste of time trying to claim that another way would have produced a better result when it's obvious that that is, and will always be, an unknown.

If people want to waste their time, that's their decision.

I think the only place where such discussions can be useful is the enquiry. So if anyone has genuinely useful evidence to put before it they should. Ways to do so can be found. Blowing hot air opinions on an internet forum contributes nothing but hot air.

 


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