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 Teddy Eagle  01 Mar 20 9.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not really the issue is it? They are powerless on their own to change things. They need us, led by our government, to do that. Let's hope the girls at risk are ultimately better served by the strategy that emerges as a consequence. Not stigmatising anyone and a reluctance to investigate are the same policy as that which has created the problem.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 20 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And the upside is what exactly? Apart from the number of children being abused being potentially reduced. Anything that helps and not hinders has to be a positive and therefore worthwhile. Surely if more people within the Islamic communities feel able to help and that speeds up detection and conviction we really ought to be following that path?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 20 10.34pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not stigmatising anyone and a reluctance to investigate are the same policy as that which has created the problem. I disagree. Stigmatising whole communities helps no-one. If there really was a reluctance to investigate then that would be a genuine reason for concern but I don't actually think that's likely to be true. More likely is that the scale of the problem wasn't understood and some conclusions drawn that now look, with hindsight, to have been incorrect. That the Police investigated quietly and under the radar is not to not investigate. It is determining a strategy which was believed to be the most effective.
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| Teddy Eagle 01 Mar 20 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Anything that helps and not hinders has to be a positive and therefore worthwhile. Surely if more people within the Islamic communities feel able to help and that speeds up detection and conviction we really ought to be following that path? But there’s no guarantee that’s going to happen. What should be done if the situation hasn’t improved in twenty years? This approach has patently failed fin the past so what’s changed?
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cryrst  The garden of England 01 Mar 20 10.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Anything that helps and not hinders has to be a positive and therefore worthwhile. Surely if more people within the Islamic communities feel able to help and that speeds up detection and conviction we really ought to be following that path? At last you get it.
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| cryrst The garden of England 01 Mar 20 10.41pm |
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If this is proved to be the case how many will be arrested and charged with assisting an offender.
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| Teddy Eagle 01 Mar 20 10.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I disagree. Stigmatising whole communities helps no-one. If there really was a reluctance to investigate then that would be a genuine reason for concern but I don't actually think that's likely to be true. More likely is that the scale of the problem wasn't understood and some conclusions drawn that now look, with hindsight, to have been incorrect. That the Police investigated quietly and under the radar is not to not investigate. It is determining a strategy which was believed to be the most effective. Arresting criminals isn’t stigmatising a whole community. The decisions taken then were incorrect but that policy is the one being advocated.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Mar 20 8.29am |
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Some more on the Transitioning court case. ""In 2009/10, 40 girls under 18 were referred to doctors for gender treatment in England. By 2017/18, the number had soared to 1,806. Over the same period, annual referrals for boys increased from 57 to 713. ""
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| Midlands Eagle 02 Mar 20 8.43am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Some more on the Transitioning court case. This is an intriguing case as she is suing the NHS for doing what she asked them to do. The other interesting aspect is that in nothing that I have read has there been any mention of her parents and what part they played in this. It is cases like this and the many thousands of other supposed malpractice lawsuits that has caused the cost of funding the NHS to skyrocket. My wife is a part time nurse who fills in the rest of her allocated hours as a pen pusher recording every single action that she has taken in case of possible lawsuits further down the line
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Mar 20 8.59am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
This is an intriguing case as she is suing the NHS for doing what she asked them to do. The other interesting aspect is that in nothing that I have read has there been any mention of her parents and what part they played in this. It is cases like this and the many thousands of other supposed malpractice lawsuits that has caused the cost of funding the NHS to skyrocket. My wife is a part time nurse who fills in the rest of her allocated hours as a pen pusher recording every single action that she has taken in case of possible lawsuits further down the line I agree and I am not solely blaming the NHS but at this clinic there appears to be a default position to provide treatment. A doctor wouldn't cut your leg off just because you asked them to. The huge increase in numbers suggest that something is wrong.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Mar 20 9.08am |
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The culture within all our institutions is 'progressive' and based less on reason and more on empathy. So while this case is tragic it's also important. It displays the insanity that modern day professionals go along with. You have the activists and then you have the 'go along to get along'....who are just paying the mortgage. Ultimately It's all about who has been appointed in leadership positions......where the buck stops. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Mar 2020 9.10am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 20 9.31am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
At last you get it. I have always "got it" but maybe you have only just understood that. What you say isn't actually true. Only today this report in the helps to explain why:-
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