Perhaps. Not sure if it's being cynical or realistic. Maybe a combination of both.

I think to give Brexit that much weight is generous, but I agree that it is way too late.

On the last point... That is of course subjective – others would view the digger to be building the house rather than destroying it. Either way it's all gravy as it will happen regardless.

Also raging against the dying of the light implies doing more than just shouting and throwing sand. It requires actual, tangible and effective action. If people believed in this narrative that strongly they'd forgo their own personal situation in favour of what they view as the greater good. And by that I mean more than just putting a bit of paper in a box.

I don't see that happening any time soon. As badly as people say they have it, they're comfortable enough not to risk their own situations. And that's right where 'they' want you to be. And they'll keep you there.

I'd rather try to play the system, create and pass on some equity through either some limited or some significant success than attempt to organise a mass rebellion the likes of which the world has never and may never see. Too much hard work. I think a lot of people share my viewpoint. Angry in private, complicit in reality. But at least I can admit that...

Edited by SW19 CPFC (07 Feb 2019 3.59pm)

Good post.

Your last paragraph is truthful if a bit painful.

However, the future in the UK is harder to predict than say the US.....while I'd agree that the game is probably up....there's still an outside chance here.

As you understand all of this is tied to economics....Come the next major crash....it remains to be seen if the elites can maintain the systems as well as they still haven't recovered from 2008.....and that break down could be a very dangerous time for them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2019 4.56pm)

Fair enough. Not too much point in me responding to most of the points, as I'll just end up repeating myself.

I just find your position and defeatist attitude quite strange, considering how clearly you see where we're headed under a world run by cooperations and banking, and their political lackeys.

I'm not sure what's stopping you taking a stand against it, and making your situation the best it can be simultaneously. It doesn't need to be one or the other.

I fully accept that reversing the current situation is a long shot, but I think your naivety lies in thinking that making a nice nest egg for your descendants will prevent them from feeling the full force of what's coming. As Stirling said, who knows what will happen with the inevitable crash that's on its way, and the opportunities it will offer if enough people see through the control system.

This isn't meant as a nasty snipe, so I hope you don't take it that way, but it's fortunate that those at certain turning points throughout history didn't all have the same view as you when faced with something threatening their liberty.

More of your absolute rubbish. According to you our exit from the EU should only be decided by the very same politicians that have well and truly f***ed up our leaving

Nest egg - never said it was a prevention strategy. That’s impossible. Frankly I’d say it’s just taking all the variables into account and not being an idiot. I’d rather work with what’s coming than waste time pushing back against it and doing nothing out of principle or because I was too busy trying to create a global movement from a start point of zero. That also meant doing other things other than accumulating money. Best possible chance probably sums it up.

I’d say it’s more realism than defeatism. There’s still plenty of opportunity to be had in the future alongside the pain. Viewing it as all doom and gloom is surely a defeatist attitude ‘the full force of what is coming’ I mean come on.

People always talk about crashes like they will bring on the second coming. How many do we have to have for people to realise this isn’t the case?

Re. People who have forced change, Yes it is fortunate, mainly because the conditions need to be right for it to happen. They are not anywhere near that now. If they were, that person would already have appeared. And if they do get that bad, which is unlikely, then they will.

As already mentioned unless someone within the ruling classes drops the ball, people are angry in private and complicit in public. As much as they like to vent, really, they’re not uncomfortable enough to say, create the change you seek. It takes a lot to create that sort of unrest, globally, and all pulling in the same direction. It takes a lot for people to put aside self interest and all focus on one thing. It’s hard enough doing that in a union let alone across multiple countries and billions of people. I’d argue you are naive for thinking that is even possible it’s so fantastically complex.

People have to be broken and prepared to give up their comfortable little lives. We are nowhere near that - and the situation won’t be allowed to get to that point because that would create the right conditions.

Also a point I made earlier - if you dethrone the man, you’ll get another man in his place.

At what stage do you think they needed to consider the nuts and bolts of that problem?

Is this not a negotiation?