Globalisation is an inevitable result of increased technology. Suitable transportation methods to ship goods around the world, communication methods to provide services worldwide, the need for materials forr products which are only found in certain locations, and the obvious cheap labour for producing said goods.

Globalism is the result of power hungry, unelected people, who have a psychopathic desire to control people and the world.

They're not both needed in order for the other to function.

Again, I agree that solving it and living in a utopia is next to impossible, but if things (globalism, not globalisation) are allowed to carry on progressing the way they are, there will never be any way of reeling it back.

Having complete sovereignty in a country at least gives the chance for 'the people' to decide what happens, whereas when you're under the EU, it's the unelected commissioners who dictate what happens.

Well it hasn't even begun yet and obviously the opponents are doing their worse. Brexit would need a good decade of passing before some kind of well rounded summary could be made.

Nations than gain independence rarely give it back up (though demographic change may ultimately change this in our case) perhaps, in part, this recognition is why the internationalists are fighting so hard to stop the initial Brexit.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Fair. But surely whatever happens now this is not what you would have classed as a 'Successful Brexit'. It's clear that whatever type of Brexit you thought you were getting is going to be compromised in some way. I don't think that can be classed as successful.

Also regarding the gain independence/give back up point – Sorry this goes over ground covered in the last post but I really don't think this will be relevant in future anyway. So really all it creates is a title with no substance. In, out, doesn't matter. Temporary feel good factor. Of course it also depends what you class as 'Independence'.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

It was never designed to accommodate leaving, the nature of the federation makes withdrawl complex - the process has been poorly managed, but I for one will be heartily glad to see the back of something we did not vote for in 1975.

It is the future of the younger generation that is the most important thing.

That can never be left to our entitlement generation.

Have you ever heard any brexiteer speak of anything other than what they want?

There ought to be a new vote with the young from 16 voting and the elderly 55+ not, then the young can decide the older one's futures for a change.

Perhaps. Not sure if it's being cynical or realistic. Maybe a combination of both.

I think to give Brexit that much weight is generous, but I agree that it is way too late.

On the last point... That is of course subjective – others would view the digger to be building the house rather than destroying it. Either way it's all gravy as it will happen regardless.

Also raging against the dying of the light implies doing more than just shouting and throwing sand. It requires actual, tangible and effective action. If people believed in this narrative that strongly they'd forgo their own personal situation in favour of what they view as the greater good. And by that I mean more than just putting a bit of paper in a box.

I don't see that happening any time soon. As badly as people say they have it, they're comfortable enough not to risk their own situations. And that's right where 'they' want you to be. And they'll keep you there.

I'd rather try to play the system, create and pass on some equity through either some limited or some significant success than attempt to organise a mass rebellion the likes of which the world has never and may never see. Too much hard work. I think a lot of people share my viewpoint. Angry in private, complicit in reality. But at least I can admit that...

Edited by SW19 CPFC (07 Feb 2019 3.59pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.