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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 07 Feb 19 2.37pm
Globalisation is a post political choice. It is a bid of massive multinationals to be above political interference and if anything leverage local regional differences like taxation, employment and pollution law etc. in their favour; for example, amazon or google. All a country's politicians can do is sweeten their locality with grants, reliefs, relaxation of laws for some, and such like. Look at countries with a smaller GDP per capita that the UK like Japan. [Link] "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 07 Feb 19 2.37pm

Globalisation is a post political choice.

It is a bid of massive multinationals to be above political interference and if anything leverage local regional differences like taxation, employment and pollution law etc. in their favour; for example, amazon or google.

All a country's politicians can do is sweeten their locality with grants, reliefs, relaxation of laws for some, and such like.

Look at countries with a smaller GDP per capita that the UK like Japan.

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"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Feb 19 2.38pm
Originally posted by W12 Funny how we were all told over previous generations that having too many children was bad and immoral for the planet but now we are told we have to import masses of people as we don't have enough children. One of the biggest scams of all time. Edited by W12 (07 Feb 2019 2.32pm) People live too long and have no major wars. The obvious. The problem is that the more you people you import, the more you’ll have to keep importing. The obvious, to some. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 07 Feb 19 2.38pm

Originally posted by W12

Funny how we were all told over previous generations that having too many children was bad and immoral for the planet but now we are told we have to import masses of people as we don't have enough children. One of the biggest scams of all time.

Edited by W12 (07 Feb 2019 2.32pm)

People live too long and have no major wars. The obvious. The problem is that the more you people you import, the more you’ll have to keep importing. The obvious, to some.

COYP

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Stirlingsays 07 Feb 19 2.40pm
Originally posted by W12 Funny how we were all told over previous generations that having too many children was bad and immoral for the planet but now we are told we have to import masses of people as we don't have enough children. One of the biggest scams of all time. Edited by W12 (07 Feb 2019 2.32pm) The British were so tolerant that they gave away their own geography.....the game was lost in the sixties....Wilson ultimately wrote the final chapter. What would previously have to be taken away in war was given away by practiced egalitarianism. The road to hell was paved with good intentions. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2019 2.46pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Feb 19 2.40pm

Originally posted by W12

Edited by W12 (07 Feb 2019 2.32pm)

The British were so tolerant that they gave away their own geography.....the game was lost in the sixties....Wilson ultimately wrote the final chapter.

What would previously have to be taken away in war was given away by practiced egalitarianism.

The road to hell was paved with good intentions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2019 2.46pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 07 Feb 19 2.45pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman People live too long and have no major wars. The obvious. The problem is that the more you people you import, the more you’ll have to keep importing. The obvious, to some. Yep....the Ponzi scheme method of economics. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 Feb 19 2.45pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

People live too long and have no major wars. The obvious. The problem is that the more you people you import, the more you’ll have to keep importing. The obvious, to some.

Yep....the Ponzi scheme method of economics.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Feb 19 2.49pm
Originally posted by Rubin Adapting to a new jobs market doesn't mean you need to accept loss of sovereignty. The two don't need to go hand in hand, and I don't see them that way, which you appear to be doing. You can do the former without accepting the latter. I agree that 'you never know what's around the corner' was pretty meaningless, but from where the EU started to where it is now, even the amount it's 'progressed' since the referendum is frightening. When enough people realise that they have the power, and not the tiny percentage of people that currently control us, things could change quickly. All it needs is enough people to wake up to it. This could only been done through withdrawal of taxes by the self employed. The French situation is interesting. It seems to be both sides of the polotical spectrum participating, and it's showing no signs of slowing down. Edited by Rubin (07 Feb 2019 2.23pm) I disagree. Globalisation naturally opens the door to Globalism. The two are linked. To what degree is another matter, but they are linked. If they weren't then we would not be having this discussion. There is a massive difference between realising and organising. In fact I'd say it's nothing short of impossible. Not to mention most people are pretty ignorant and happy just to muddle along in life. So long as those people are always placated there will be no revolution. It would require a monumental act of stupidity for the people in power to do that. It's also transferrable, this notion of 'the man'. Revolution wins, new man in charge. No difference, apart from perhaps a brief, fleeting promise of change that gets extinguished pretty quickly once the usual power and money start eroding any values and ethics. See Arab spring. Ad infinitum. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 07 Feb 19 2.49pm

Originally posted by Rubin

Adapting to a new jobs market doesn't mean you need to accept loss of sovereignty. The two don't need to go hand in hand, and I don't see them that way, which you appear to be doing. You can do the former without accepting the latter.

I agree that 'you never know what's around the corner' was pretty meaningless, but from where the EU started to where it is now, even the amount it's 'progressed' since the referendum is frightening.

When enough people realise that they have the power, and not the tiny percentage of people that currently control us, things could change quickly. All it needs is enough people to wake up to it. This could only been done through withdrawal of taxes by the self employed.

The French situation is interesting. It seems to be both sides of the polotical spectrum participating, and it's showing no signs of slowing down.

Edited by Rubin (07 Feb 2019 2.23pm)

I disagree. Globalisation naturally opens the door to Globalism. The two are linked. To what degree is another matter, but they are linked. If they weren't then we would not be having this discussion.

There is a massive difference between realising and organising. In fact I'd say it's nothing short of impossible. Not to mention most people are pretty ignorant and happy just to muddle along in life. So long as those people are always placated there will be no revolution. It would require a monumental act of stupidity for the people in power to do that.

It's also transferrable, this notion of 'the man'. Revolution wins, new man in charge. No difference, apart from perhaps a brief, fleeting promise of change that gets extinguished pretty quickly once the usual power and money start eroding any values and ethics. See Arab spring. Ad infinitum.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Feb 19 2.52pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That's subjective. I'd say that whether you're leave or remain, I think you'd be hard pressed to call this a successful Brexit, defined by the terms of the referendum. I'd be interested to hear how it could be though. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 07 Feb 19 2.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's subjective.

I'd say that whether you're leave or remain, I think you'd be hard pressed to call this a successful Brexit, defined by the terms of the referendum. I'd be interested to hear how it could be though.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 07 Feb 19 2.53pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman People live too long and have no major wars. The obvious. The problem is that the more you people you import, the more you’ll have to keep importing. The obvious, to some. That was the problem with Gordon Brown's financial model, it was not a closed system and required more and more workers to sustain government handouts like teachers gold plated pension costs; which increased dramatically during his tenure as chancellor. What we need is a good old lethal epidemic. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 07 Feb 19 2.53pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

People live too long and have no major wars. The obvious. The problem is that the more you people you import, the more you’ll have to keep importing. The obvious, to some.

That was the problem with Gordon Brown's financial model, it was not a closed system and required more and more workers to sustain government handouts like teachers gold plated pension costs; which increased dramatically during his tenure as chancellor.

What we need is a good old lethal epidemic.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Pussay Patrol 07 Feb 19 2.54pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Tusk didn't call Brexiteers shysters...you did, correct? Nope Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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07 Feb 19 2.54pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Tusk didn't call Brexiteers shysters...you did, correct?

Nope

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Feb 19 2.55pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays No globalism is a political choice. Japan for example..is also a sea trading nation and set of islands and has a higher GDP than us plus standard of living yet has rejected the kind of globalism that would end up replacing the biological Japanese outside of some cultural construct. Automation and other technologies will solve their aging issues and they will still exist as Japanese. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2019 2.26pm) The Japanese are an outlier. I'd be interested to see how long they can hold out for. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 07 Feb 19 2.55pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No globalism is a political choice.

Japan for example..is also a sea trading nation and set of islands and has a higher GDP than us plus standard of living yet has rejected the kind of globalism that would end up replacing the biological Japanese outside of some cultural construct.

Automation and other technologies will solve their aging issues and they will still exist as Japanese.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2019 2.26pm)

The Japanese are an outlier. I'd be interested to see how long they can hold out for.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Stirlingsays 07 Feb 19 3.00pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Valid points. I'm not advocating for blanket compliance. I'm saying in this particular instance, it's pointless. It's too big, and too far along. Direct efforts elsewhere. That's kind of like the 'Jordan Peterson' approach. In many ways it makes sense.....but if you have skin in the game or care about the future....Perhaps it also makes sense to complain that...even if it's a supertanker that no one's patching the small hole in the ship. Originally posted by SW19 CPFC I'm also not suggesting criticism is to be somehow censored or abandoned. I'm just saying that in this particular instance it won't make a blind bit of difference to the long term outcome, so why waste time on it. Also plenty of people are doing more than just criticising if they voted – that's a conscious attempt to enact change. I think there's a good chance that you are right. But I'm resentful about it all....and I don't like what's coming down the pipe for my kids and this leads me to direct some of that anger towards those whose politics supported this future. But you're probably right....it's ultimately just hot air....but then again so are most political forums. Originally posted by SW19 CPFC You can still criticise but also understand that said criticism won't actually lead anywhere. There's no contradiction in that. However a lot of people on this forum clearly hold emotive beliefs rather than mere criticisms, and that's where it gets silly. All criticism, even expressions of logic or comment stem from some emotive impulse. Originally posted by SW19 CPFC The more this rumbles on, the more I view it as a distraction to the bigger picture issues, and really, it's playing nicely into the hands of the people you profess to despise. It gives them an excuse to speed up the train. My personal take is that if you see this as a movement, and by movement I mean a coordinated, effective effort to change the current direction of travel, you've got rose tinted glasses on. It's like people have been waiting their whole lives for this, so to be told it's not actually going to lead anywhere is simply too much. It's almost religious levels of blind faith. And that goes for both sides. Yep, a small percentage of society..mainly those actually interested in politics ..fueled by social media have become far more polarised into camps which see compromise as a dirty word. You do talk sense in your post.....However, in the final analysis I'd prefer what's happening to be out in the open rather than what....what actually has happened...which has been the drip drip of slow but permanent change in the globalist direction. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 Feb 19 3.00pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Valid points.

I'm not advocating for blanket compliance. I'm saying in this particular instance, it's pointless. It's too big, and too far along. Direct efforts elsewhere.

That's kind of like the 'Jordan Peterson' approach. In many ways it makes sense.....but if you have skin in the game or care about the future....Perhaps it also makes sense to complain that...even if it's a supertanker that no one's patching the small hole in the ship.

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I'm also not suggesting criticism is to be somehow censored or abandoned. I'm just saying that in this particular instance it won't make a blind bit of difference to the long term outcome, so why waste time on it. Also plenty of people are doing more than just criticising if they voted – that's a conscious attempt to enact change.

I think there's a good chance that you are right. But I'm resentful about it all....and I don't like what's coming down the pipe for my kids and this leads me to direct some of that anger towards those whose politics supported this future.

But you're probably right....it's ultimately just hot air....but then again so are most political forums.

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

You can still criticise but also understand that said criticism won't actually lead anywhere. There's no contradiction in that. However a lot of people on this forum clearly hold emotive beliefs rather than mere criticisms, and that's where it gets silly.

All criticism, even expressions of logic or comment stem from some emotive impulse.

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

The more this rumbles on, the more I view it as a distraction to the bigger picture issues, and really, it's playing nicely into the hands of the people you profess to despise. It gives them an excuse to speed up the train.

My personal take is that if you see this as a movement, and by movement I mean a coordinated, effective effort to change the current direction of travel, you've got rose tinted glasses on. It's like people have been waiting their whole lives for this, so to be told it's not actually going to lead anywhere is simply too much. It's almost religious levels of blind faith. And that goes for both sides.

Yep, a small percentage of society..mainly those actually interested in politics ..fueled by social media have become far more polarised into camps which see compromise as a dirty word.

You do talk sense in your post.....However, in the final analysis I'd prefer what's happening to be out in the open rather than what....what actually has happened...which has been the drip drip of slow but permanent change in the globalist direction.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 07 Feb 19 3.04pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC The Japanese are an outlier. I'd be interested to see how long they can hold out for. Not really, China is the same....Israel has recently implemented legal changes to stop demographic change. In fact...the truth is it's only Europe and the wider Anglosphere which is undergoing these types of changes. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 Feb 19 3.04pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

The Japanese are an outlier. I'd be interested to see how long they can hold out for.

Not really, China is the same....Israel has recently implemented legal changes to stop demographic change.

In fact...the truth is it's only Europe and the wider Anglosphere which is undergoing these types of changes.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 19 3.04pm
Originally posted by steve1984 What exactly was unknown about these two facts? I'm no expert but both these facts are tangible realities. 1. Brexit necessitates a border with the EU. 2. The GFA necessitates no border with the EU. One of them has to go. Edited by steve1984 (07 Feb 2019 1.13pm) At what stage do you think they needed to consider the nuts and bolts of that problem? Is this not a negotiation?
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