I'm fairly confident that no one expected Brexit to win and it is also rather difficult to plan for the unknown.
There are no experts and the whole process has been one bit of brinksmanship after another.

Don't take this personally, but here's my rebuttal to your own personnel assumptions.

People, mainly leavers, are massively overestimating how much influence we have and therefore how much impact leaving will have on the EU. That will play out over time, and it won't be in the direction they want it to go.

As previously stated that is your opinion based on what exactly ? Having watched various different news media, it has come to light that the German car manufacturers, French, Italian, and Spanish, winemakers are very concerned about us leaving and what tariffs we will place on goods from Europe as opposed to Car Makers like Ford, and vauxhall who have their bases in the USA.

Then we have the alcohol and cheese markets from Europe who quite Frankly would collapse on thier collective arse if we left with a no deal and spanked a massive tariff on thier produce to promote goods from the Commonwealth and beyond. The owner of Witherspoons has already stopped stocking his pubs with alcohol from the EU, and shock horror no one gives a shyte prices have not gone up, quality has not been affected no has his trade.

The only way to stop Globalism is to create immediate economic harm by reversing the current trade model (will never happen) and ban technology (also will never happen). So you're perfectly entitled, although perhaps a little deluded, to think leaving will be a step in the right direction. It will make no difference. You're focusing on the wrong issue.

If your so sure it will make no difference why is the rest of Europe holding thier breath to see what happens, not to mention the likes of the Eu council President (un-elected president I might add) saying that Brexiteers will go to hell, sounds like a desperate man to me, as he knows if we leave the whole fiasco comes crashing down.

The Experiment has failed lets move on.

The elephant in the room is automation and technology which are ultimately the main drivers of globalism. Brexit, Gilets Jaunes and populism are nothing but distractions and false dawns – illusions of choice and purpose. When you have no job, and your only source of income is from the state, you have no agency and then it will finally become clear that you have no say in the matter.

I think someones being watching the matrix to to much, calm down Neo.

By all means believe that you're creating a chance for change, or applying the brakes, go ahead, but it's a fantasy.

Which again is your opinion nothing more, which you are just as entitled to have, as I am to wholly disregard it as the ramblings of a socialist.

It is inevitable, and therefore I'd rather not waste my time working against it. I'd rather work with it and prepare for it, get ahead if you will. That will be far more beneficial than getting any temporary, misguided sense of satisfaction or 'at least I did my bit' from throwing an acorn at a charging elephant and subsequently being trampled.

Again, on this specific topic, I just don't see the logic in trying to change something you have no control over. Your energy would be much better spent elsewhere. I do see the logic if you've become indoctrinated into thinking you can actually make a difference. Or if you are successfully attempting to create an organised, coherent global movement/revolt against the system.

My eyes have just readjusted after all that use of bold, terrible spelling and short term thinking. At least they were open though.

Anyway...

You can work with it in ways that will be of personal benefit. Change job. Retrain into an industry that won't be dead in 20 years time. Try not to become bitter and twisted. Invest money accordingly. Relocate. I don't for one minute think that 'working with it' means helping to definitively shape it. That would run counter to my previous point.

Enslavement is relative, you're enslaved now unless you're extremely wealthy. I don't see the difference. Most people have very little say in anything now anyway. Has been the same for centuries.

'You never know what's just around the corner' – come on. That's meaningless. I like to think I progress based on probability and facts.

Alternatively if you keep thinking you'll be able to turn back the clock or that voting either remain or leave makes any difference to the long term outcome I'm afraid the only one running out of time will be you.

No globalism is a political choice.

Japan for example..is also a sea trading nation and set of islands and has a higher GDP than us plus standard of living yet has rejected the kind of globalism that would end up replacing the biological Japanese outside of some cultural construct.

Automation and other technologies will solve their aging issues and they will still exist as Japanese.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2019 2.26pm)