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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 20 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Its not innuendo. It’s fact. These things are happening. If it’s wrong to stigmatise drug dealers and gang members or find muggings and stabbings divisive then you’re absolutely right. Everyone should just calm down about the situation. It is innuendo if you criticise people who happen to share a belief with criminals and somehow associate them with the crimes. That's the potential outcome from describing these gangs as "Muslim", "Islamic" or pakistani" Not all of Islam is involved, so it's NOT happening at all. Calling out drug dealers, muggers and stabbings isn't remotely the same. You don't place them all into one category, although some might try by using "black" as the adjective.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 20 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But this is their opportunity to exonerate those being wrongly accused. Maybe the photographs of those convicted weren’t so confusing after all. I don't know what's in the report, or what it recommends, and nor does anyone other than those with a need to know, for the time being at least. So second guessing what it could, or could not, do, seems rather pointless.
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Teddy Eagle  01 Mar 20 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It is innuendo if you criticise people who happen to share a belief with criminals and somehow associate them with the crimes. That's the potential outcome from describing these gangs as "Muslim", "Islamic" or pakistani" Not all of Islam is involved, so it's NOT happening at all. Calling out drug dealers, muggers and stabbings isn't remotely the same. You don't place them all into one category, although some might try by using "black" as the adjective. I’m not interested in skin colour. Gang activity and drug dealing was an example of something which you can’t have an informed opinion on, no matter how lofty your idealist views may be, unless you’ve lived with its consequences. Of course not everybody is involved but how many of the grooming gang members were reported by their own community? Many more people were complicit in these crimes than will be brought to justice.
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| Teddy Eagle 01 Mar 20 5.39pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't know what's in the report, or what it recommends, and nor does anyone other than those with a need to know, for the time being at least. So second guessing what it could, or could not, do, seems rather pointless. Let’s hope the girls still at risk regard it as pointless as well.
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| dannyboy1978 01 Mar 20 6.04pm |
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BBC News - NHS gender clinic 'should have challenged me more' over transition When will people be responsible for their selves. Unbelievable.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Mar 20 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
BBC News - NHS gender clinic 'should have challenged me more' over transition When there isn't a supporting industry for them to make money from. The real culprits are the politicians who draft the laws.....the bloodsucking lawyers just find whatever cracks exist within the system to exploit.
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cryrst  The garden of England 01 Mar 20 7.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
When there isn't a supporting industry for them to make money from. The real culprits are the politicians who draft the laws.....the bloodsucking lawyers just find whatever cracks exist within the system to exploit.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Mar 20 7.18pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
BBC News - NHS gender clinic 'should have challenged me more' over transition When will people be responsible for their selves. Unbelievable. I think the real issue here is that medical staff are now bravely in my opinion coming forward and claiming that this clinic is pushing an agenda. Bravely because you can imagine the torrent of abuse that they have been getting from the Trans community. This is a scandal in the making the medical staff are not some Christian right activist but people who worked at that clinic but no longer believe it is operating correctly. I am not against transitioning but people who want this by the very nature of it are vulnerable and the medical staff are supposed to help them rather than push for it. It maybe especially in young people that they are confusing sexuality and gender. Apparently the number of people who are now transitioning has gone through the roof. I said scandal as I suspect in a few years time this claim will be one of many. This and the high number of post trans people who commit suicide.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Mar 20 7.20pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Exactly.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 20 7.42pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I’m not interested in skin colour. Gang activity and drug dealing was an example of something which you can’t have an informed opinion on, no matter how lofty your idealist views may be, unless you’ve lived with its consequences. Of course not everybody is involved but how many of the grooming gang members were reported by their own community? Many more people were complicit in these crimes than will be brought to justice. It might all be true but isn't the point is it? The point is does describing the gangs the way that is commonly done help or hinder the efforts to find and prosecute their members? Would more members of their own community be willing to come forward and report things, in particular the women, if they felt less stigmatised and better protected? I think the answer to both is yes and can see no upside to not doing so.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 20 7.49pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Let’s hope the girls still at risk regard it as pointless as well. Not really the issue is it? They are powerless on their own to change things. They need us, led by our government, to do that. Let's hope the girls at risk are ultimately better served by the strategy that emerges as a consequence.
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| Teddy Eagle 01 Mar 20 9.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It might all be true but isn't the point is it? The point is does describing the gangs the way that is commonly done help or hinder the efforts to find and prosecute their members? Would more members of their own community be willing to come forward and report things, in particular the women, if they felt less stigmatised and better protected? I think the answer to both is yes and can see no upside to not doing so. And the upside is what exactly? Apart from the number of children being abused being potentially reduced.
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