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mattwebb Sutton 09 Jan 05 10.21am | |
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Quote ElliottHutchins at 09 Jan 2005 3:58am
Quote mattwebb at 08 Jan 2005 10:40pm
No you don't. I hate religion, so did Jesus. Religion is what gets in the way of faith. Jesus didn't like the judgemental pharisees, and was all against legalism and religion. Religion is following a set of rules to try to please other religious people or even to try to please god, but true faith and a relationship with your creator is something much more beautiful. I don't call myself religious, because it makes people think I am judgemental and hypocritical. I am a Christian, but I don't think the Bible teaches religion, it just teaches how to have a relationship with Jesus Christ. Sorry to disappoint you mate but Jesus never existed. There is more historical evidence of the existence of Christ than the existence of Julius Ceaser. Do you believe Julius Ceaser existed. No historians doubt the existence of Jesus Christ. Your sarcy comment has only shown your ignorance not mine. Try again.
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mattwebb Sutton 09 Jan 05 10.27am | |
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Quote Bean at 08 Jan 2005 11:41pm
MattWebb thats rubbish! You are an active member of the Christian religion, and you have to have faith in Christianity, which is its very essence. These sets of rules as you call it are fundamental to Christianity, and as you said before, if you dont believe in the fundamentals of christianity you cannot be a proper christian. Faith goes hand in hand with religion, they are not two seperable entities in my opinion Edited by Bean (08 Jan 2005 11:41pm)
Christianity is a religion, in the modern definition, but Christians are told not to be religious in the sense of following rules to try to please God. The Bible says that faith is a gift, and there is no merit attached to the believer for having faith. So faith is not religion, in the Biblical sense. This is clearly too deep for you to grasp Mr Bean. However it is extremely rich that you began your waste of a post by saying "That's rubbish" you stated it as fact, however you completed the sentence with "in my opinion" proving that it was an opinion not a fact. Are you suggesting that all your opinions are fact? Please tell me Mr Bean what do you base your opinions on? When did you last read the Bible, particularly the book of Romans, to tell me what Christians believe about religion? I am interested to know, because you speak with an assumed authority as if you were a studier of the Bible.
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ElliottHutchins Wakefield 09 Jan 05 11.23am | |
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And i'd stop calling her Mr Bean if i were you. Thats my girlfriend your talking to. Just Bean will do. Edited by ElliottHutchins (09 Jan 2005 11:35am)
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Bean Ipswich 09 Jan 05 11.47am | |
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No1 i am female, and no2, i studied philosophy and theology for 2 years, so i feel that i am in a pretty good position to comment. i do not need to read a book such as the Bible to find meaning in my life, and i am perfectly capable of making my own decisions without having to base them on what God, Jesus, John, Luke, Paul, etc etc has to say. i have a conscience of my own, and will not be pushed into one course of action over another for fear of eternal life in hell. Christianity provides false hopes for people, hopes which cannot be realised until after death, so who's to say that they are really there? You could be spending your whole life follow this way of life for nothing. What if there is no reward in heaven? Where is this all loving, all knowing, all seeing God? Where is heaven? If Gods been around forever, why did Christianity only come about 2000 years ago and not at the beginning of time? You keep banging on about fact and opinion but isnt all the Bible just opinion? Someones take on a situation. There can be no facts just interpretations.
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tetley Wimbledon 09 Jan 05 11.50am | |
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Quote mattwebb at 09 Jan 2005 10:21am
Do you believe Julius Ceaser existed. No historians doubt the existence of Jesus Christ. Your sarcy comment has only shown your ignorance not mine. Try again. the majority of historians don't doubt the existence of Jesus, but there are very many who definitely do doubt the existence of Jesus Christ. apart from that, your points have been very valid. to elaborate on the above point, the original versions of the bible (which you say you have studied matt) at no point contain Jesus saying 'I am the chosen one' or anything along similar lines. Of course, these are just theological arguments I have come across. I haven't studied the original texts of the bible and if you can find an argument against me I'd more than welcome it.
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eryr Caerphillydelphia 09 Jan 05 12.01pm | |
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Father Christmas - an invention to keep children in good order in return for the promise of presents. God - an invention to keep people in good order in return for the promise of everlasting life. For me, both are as ridiculous as each other. Sure, I continue the Father Christmas myth for the sake of my kids, but as children grow older and their brains develop, they see completely through the scam and see it for what it is. It amazes me that people can't see the same with the concept of God. I accept there is every chance there was someone called Jesus, who was possibly a faith healer, conjuror or similar, but son of God??? Please....!!! I assume there won't be a response to this today from christians as it's the day of rest and you'll be giving thanks somewhere, not in front of your PC's!!
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mattwebb Sutton 09 Jan 05 12.01pm | |
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Tetley Jesus said to Peter in the original text "I AM" referring to Him being God. Bean, I don't just believe in Jesus Christ because of Bible, I have a relationship with Him, I speak to Him, He answers my prayers. Christianity was only around 2000 years ago, because that was when Christ died. Before then the OT was what the people read, that has been around for thousands of years. The OT talks about Jesus, and do you know why Jesus is called the Lamb of God, or where the word scapegoat comes from? This will explain to you how Christianity was around before Jesus although in a different form.
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ElliottHutchins Wakefield 09 Jan 05 12.03pm | |
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Quote mattwebb at 09 Jan 2005 12:01pm
Tetley Jesus said to Peter in the original text "I AM" referring to Him being God. Bean, I don't just believe in Jesus Christ because of Bible, I have a relationship with Him, I speak to Him, He answers my prayers. Christianity was only around 2000 years ago, because that was when Christ died. Before then the OT was what the people read, that has been around for thousands of years. The OT talks about Jesus, and do you know why Jesus is called the Lamb of God, or where the word scapegoat comes from? This will explain to you how Christianity was around before Jesus although in a different form. Not something id admit mate
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Bean Ipswich 09 Jan 05 12.06pm | |
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when you say you speak to him, do you mean like voices in your head? how has he answered your prayers, and if he does why dont you pray for him to do something useful like, stop starvation, or make all humans love each other? i just cant understand how such educated people can hold such far fetched ideas. I completely agree with what eryr says. Do you ever question Gods existence? how can you be so sure? why do you believe? what do you get out of it? Also, you didnt actualy answer any of my questions from my previous post, so i shall only assume that you cant Edited by Bean (09 Jan 2005 12:07pm)
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mattwebb Sutton 09 Jan 05 12.07pm | |
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Quote eryr at 09 Jan 2005 12:01pm
God - an invention to keep people in good order in return for the promise of everlasting life.
That's not how it works, everlasting life is not a reward for good behaviour. Everlasting life is a free gift, that's why Jesus died. If we could get to heaven on our own merit, by behaving well as you suggested, then as the apostle Paul wrote "Jesus would have died in vain". Christianity certainly was not invented to keep people down the straight and narrow, because that is not it's true message.
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ElliottHutchins Wakefield 09 Jan 05 12.09pm | |
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I know Jesus too mate.... Right on the left in the palace shirt... E
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Bean Ipswich 09 Jan 05 12.09pm | |
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Christianity certainly was not invented to keep people down the straight and narrow, because that is not it's true message.
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