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Eaglecoops CR3 29 Aug 23 2.40pm | |
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There is way too much talk of extremes on here. We are not trying to be the next this, that or the other. We want a new right back (have done for 3years). We want a proper back up left back (have done for two years). We want a replacement for Wilf. We need a striker. Let’s look at what we have achieved so far. 1) In goal - looks like getting rid of 3 keepers (Butland, Guaita, Johnstone), bringing in one (Henderson). I’m not sure anyone will disagree about which positions we are weak in and which are solid, so perhaps some can see how spending £40m on an attacking midfielder and a goalkeeper does not really address the weaknesses in our team and is why I for one am not happy with our window (so far). Prudent purchasing could have seen us buy a couple of full backs for say £10m and left Johnstone in goal, perhaps bringing in a winger on loan and using whatever we could scrape together to buy a striker. Net result pretty much where we are now but with an improved defence, more strength in depth and maybe a bit more firepower up top. That surely is not too much to ask. It’s not toys out the pram, it’s not whinging, it’s not asking us to overspend. We have possibly thrown a lot of eggs in one basket on an injured youngster who is unproven and a hope that Henderson will not get injured.
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rikz Croydon 29 Aug 23 3.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
There is way too much talk of extremes on here. We are not trying to be the next this, that or the other. We want a new right back (have done for 3years). We want a proper back up left back (have done for two years). We want a replacement for Wilf. We need a striker. Let’s look at what we have achieved so far. 1) In goal - looks like getting rid of 3 keepers (Butland, Guaita, Johnstone), bringing in one (Henderson). I’m not sure anyone will disagree about which positions we are weak in and which are solid, so perhaps some can see how spending £40m on an attacking midfielder and a goalkeeper does not really address the weaknesses in our team and is why I for one am not happy with our window (so far). Prudent purchasing could have seen us buy a couple of full backs for say £10m and left Johnstone in goal, perhaps bringing in a winger on loan and using whatever we could scrape together to buy a striker. Net result pretty much where we are now but with an improved defence, more strength in depth and maybe a bit more firepower up top. That surely is not too much to ask. It’s not toys out the pram, it’s not whinging, it’s not asking us to overspend. We have possibly thrown a lot of eggs in one basket on an injured youngster who is unproven and a hope that Henderson will not get injured. Exactly this, I'd rather have Richards at right back but I don't pretend to know more about football or the players than Roy so I can accept he's not a better RB, what I do know is ward and Clyne aint good enough for the prem, like you say it's been that case for the last 3 seasons, also one LB for the last 2 years. To still be in this position with 3 days remaining of the window isn't good enough.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 29 Aug 23 3.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
There is way too much talk of extremes on here. We are not trying to be the next this, that or the other. We want a new right back (have done for 3years). We want a proper back up left back (have done for two years). We want a replacement for Wilf. We need a striker. Let’s look at what we have achieved so far. 1) In goal - looks like getting rid of 3 keepers (Butland, Guaita, Johnstone), bringing in one (Henderson). I’m not sure anyone will disagree about which positions we are weak in and which are solid, so perhaps some can see how spending £40m on an attacking midfielder and a goalkeeper does not really address the weaknesses in our team and is why I for one am not happy with our window (so far). Prudent purchasing could have seen us buy a couple of full backs for say £10m and left Johnstone in goal, perhaps bringing in a winger on loan and using whatever we could scrape together to buy a striker. Net result pretty much where we are now but with an improved defence, more strength in depth and maybe a bit more firepower up top. That surely is not too much to ask. It’s not toys out the pram, it’s not whinging, it’s not asking us to overspend. We have possibly thrown a lot of eggs in one basket on an injured youngster who is unproven and a hope that Henderson will not get injured. Where are a couple of premiership standard fullbacks for 10m a pair?, Johnstone wanted to return to the midlands, hence Wolves, Guaita is going to Celta Vigo for free, and their supporters think he will be second choice, lets wait until Saturday morning and see what we have.
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Eaglecoops CR3 29 Aug 23 3.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
Where are a couple of premiership standard fullbacks for 10m a pair?, Johnstone wanted to return to the midlands, hence Wolves, Guaita is going to Celta Vigo for free, and their supporters think he will be second choice, lets wait until Saturday morning and see what we have. Simple answers here. Firstly that’s Dougies job and there are plenty of full backs out there. Secondly, well I’m not quite sure what your point is re keepers because the way I see it, it is either Johnstone (no cost) vs Henderson (up to £20m), unless of course we get something back for Johnstone.
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TheBigToePunt 29 Aug 23 4.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Simple answers here. Firstly that’s Dougies job and there are plenty of full backs out there. Secondly, well I’m not quite sure what your point is re keepers because the way I see it, it is either Johnstone (no cost) vs Henderson (up to £20m), unless of course we get something back for Johnstone. But not so many that you can name some we can get for £10m that are better than we already have?
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Eaglecoops CR3 29 Aug 23 4.14pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
But not so many that you can name some we can get for £10m that are better than we already have? So, because I can’t name them, they don’t exist. Dont be obtuse. £10m for a full back should be plenty.
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TheBigToePunt 29 Aug 23 4.16pm | |
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Originally posted by rikz
Exactly this, I'd rather have Richards at right back but I don't pretend to know more about football or the players than Roy so I can accept he's not a better RB, what I do know is ward and Clyne aint good enough for the prem, like you say it's been that case for the last 3 seasons, also one LB for the last 2 years. To still be in this position with 3 days remaining of the window isn't good enough. But we have bought a lot of good players in those windows, haven't we? It's one thing to be unhappy that we haven't bought two new full backs, but quite another to be unhappy that we have only bought Andersen, Guehi, Olise, Hughes, Docoure, Edouard, Richards and Eze, but not two new full backs as well.
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Eaglecoops CR3 29 Aug 23 4.18pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
But not so many that you can name some we can get for £10m that are better than we already have? As you seem to have all the finance answers. How much should a full back cost that is better than Ward/Clyne and capable of challenging Mitchell?
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Eaglecoops CR3 29 Aug 23 4.21pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
But we have bought a lot of good players in those windows, haven't we? It's one thing to be unhappy that we haven't bought two new full backs, but quite another to be unhappy that we have only bought Andersen, Guehi, Olise, Hughes, Docoure, Edouard, Richards and Eze, but not two new full backs as well. If you actually troubled yourself to read my post you will see that I am disappointed that we haven’t rectified these positions THIS season.
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TheBigToePunt 29 Aug 23 4.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
So, because I can’t name them, they don’t exist. Dont be obtuse. £10m for a full back should be plenty. Presuming you meant £10m each (rather than for both, in which case I'm afraid I really don't follow you at all), it is perfectly possible to buy a full back for that much I'm sure. The questions are (1) whether you can buy a better one than we already have for that, and (2) whether we have enough to buy two fullbacks and also the other players we need. Fulham just bought Timothy Castagne from Leicester for around £15m. He's a decent full back, so perhaps that's a good gauge. The clubs budget is very plainly not a large one, and I can see the logic in retaining Ward and Clyne rather than spend £20m or so replacing them both (notwithstanding that Richrds can apparently play RB). I am happy that Palace spent that money on the players we did buy instead.
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TheBigToePunt 29 Aug 23 4.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
If you actually troubled yourself to read my post you will see that I am disappointed that we haven’t rectified these positions THIS season. But you do appreciate that our transfer budget for this season is dictated by what we spent last season and the one before?
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EaglesEaglesEagles 29 Aug 23 4.28pm | |
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Look at our record for waiting until late in the window. We have waited more often than not (for better or worse).
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