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 Stirlingsays  04 Oct 23 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Can you give evidence of this or examples? If they do exist, I'm pretty sure one could find examples for both sides of the political spectrum. Edited by SW19 CPFC (04 Oct 2023 4.59pm) This was the case that I had in mind.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 04 Oct 23 5.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm not going to support GBNews for sacking him. A line must be held and it's the story of the right's failure that they never held one. There is a distinction to be drawn between holding a political view and using insulting language or encouraging the breaking of laws. Fox will be a hero to many for his stance on ULEZ but, whether we like it or not, a small TV channel which relies on advertising and donations to run can't be associated with that kind of behaviour. The BBC and ITV are big enough to survive the fall out from Jimmy Saville and Phillip Schofield, but the sad truth is that GBN is not right now. It has to be seen on the right side of respectability. If it just sticks to right of centre politics, it will be OK. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Oct 2023 5.11pm)
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| Stirlingsays 04 Oct 23 5.06pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
The one that ''attempts to crack down on illegal content like child sexual abuse material (CSAM) and to minimize the possibility that kids might encounter harmful and age-inappropriate content, including online harassment as well as content that glorifies suicide, self-harm, and eating disorders?' Yes I'm aware of it. It's always fascinated me that the internet has never really been properly regulated. Considering it acts as a sort of real life proxy (or second life, for those who know what that is) it's amazing and horrendous in equal measure that it's not properly policed. Like a Library is, for example. With rules and regulations. It's probably because it's impossible to do so due to its scale, but I do think people take it so much for granted now that it's basically a massive playground of limited or unenforcible rules that it's somehow a bad thing to apply laws and decency to what is effectively a public space. Terrible post.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Oct 23 5.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Terrible post. Ah an internet utopian. Do go on
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| Stirlingsays 04 Oct 23 5.20pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Ah an internet utopian. Do go on
You know exactly what the argument is....let's not bore even ourselves with it. I just won't give the powerful ever more power without comment.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Oct 23 5.23pm |
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Jury led decision tho... not the judge, who would have banged them to rights (quite rightly). Reckon there's thousands of instances of a Jury reaching poor verdicts every year. Probably more. This is another one. Don't agree that one case makes a trend though... see earlier post about successful prosecutions, of which there are loads... You'd need to find data that shows disproportionate jury acquittals for such cases vs successful prosecutions to prove otherwise.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Oct 23 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You know exactly what the argument is....let's not bore even ourselves with it. I just won't give the powerful ever more power without comment. I think people forget what the internet is and take it for granted. It's not some free for all neutral space magically maintained for free. It's also not and has never been the same as your front room. Just saying
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| Stirlingsays 04 Oct 23 5.28pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is a distinction to be drawn between holding a political view and using insulting language or encouraging the breaking of laws. Fox will be a hero to many for his stance on ULEZ but, whether we like it or not, a small TV channel which relies on advertising and donations to run can't be associated with that kind of behaviour. The BBC and ITV are big enough to survive the fall out from Jimmy Saville and Phillip Schofield, but the sad truth is that GBN is not right now. It has to be seen on the right side of respectability. If it just sticks to right of centre politics, it will be OK. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Oct 2023 5.11pm) He was rude and he rightly apologized.....that should have been the end of it. However, both you and I know that it's been used to attack the right and....actually it's more than that, it's the right to speak your mind. From Russell Brand to Jo Brand to Lawrence Fox commentators/comedians/plonkers, whoever it is.....the powerful mustn't be allowed to beat down voices....we have been talking about 1984 for a long time and it's an old meme but more prophetic each year. A chilling effect is being allowed to gag free speech in this country.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Oct 23 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I think people forget what the internet is and take it for granted. It's not some free for all neutral space magically maintained for free. It's also not and has never been the same as your front room. Just saying True, but this is about extent, power balance, freedom and all the rest of it. It's all very soviet.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Oct 23 5.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
True, but this is about extent, power balance, freedom and all the rest of it. It's all very soviet. I think you're being hyperbolic because of your purist stance – and that's fine, but what you regularly pine for is unachievable. And also has never existed. Edited by SW19 CPFC (04 Oct 2023 5.40pm)
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| Stirlingsays 04 Oct 23 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Jury led decision tho... not the judge, who would have banged them to rights (quite rightly). Reckon there's thousands of instances of a Jury reaching poor verdicts every year. Probably more. This is another one. Don't agree that one case makes a trend though... see earlier post about successful prosecutions, of which there are loads... You'd need to find data that shows disproportionate jury acquittals for such cases vs successful prosecutions to prove otherwise. Well, I'm not suggesting that corporates are happy for their property to be damaged and that it's just accepted. However, you asked for an unacceptable outcome and when it happens it always seems to be for the left. As for trends....well I can only repeat this latest instance. Chris Packham literally makes a programme on Channel 4 saying is it time to break the law for climate change and nothing happens....But Lawrence Fox is positive towards blade runners in London and is nicked. Apparently Packham is taking the government to court. Just how well funded must he be for that? Yet Calvin Robinson now can't even pay for his flat in London.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Oct 23 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I think you're being hyperbolic because of your purist stance – and that's fine, but what you regularly pine for is unachievable. And also has never existed. Edited by SW19 CPFC (04 Oct 2023 5.40pm) Well, we disagree on all points there. I grew up in better times regarding free speech.....we have regressed and we continue to.
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