Because I am a sad sack, I also compared PV's first and second games against the same opposition this season.

Against 9 opponents we played twice under him, we got 8 points in the first round of games, and three in the second.

This is fairly interesting evidence against PV

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

Patrick better at recruitment and attracting quality young players.

Roy, Ray and Paddy better at coaching, setting up and motivating the players.

Neither particularly strong at in-game management.

Oisin - not particularly strong at anything much it seems

I'd like to put out a slightly different view one where I think the crooks(and other 'top' pundits) Vieira views come from...

They are so pre-occupied with the Big Clubs - that they don't really see, or take time to understand what's going on at our club(or other clubs). What they see is that for a year (and a bit) Vieira was doing a wonderful job - as proclaimed by every pundit, ever - They were each saying it a lot so validating their own views. What they saw is a manager, doing 'well', 12th in the table, getting sacked. For those pundits disposed to a 'not enough black managers in the PL' viewpoint, then this Was the reason, or part of the reason, or at the very least another thing to shout whilst up on their soapbox.

Look a bit deeper as to what was happening, and you see that this was not the case, and Parish made the right call.

It's akin to reporting on highlights, not the whole match, and quite frankly lazy and defamatory.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

Cant disagree with any of that.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

I think this is the point however, PV and Roy are chalk and cheese or certainly both managers who arrived with different mandates.

Roy - A steady old head who in lieu of an ability to invest in the playing staff will pragmatically achieve the maximum with the bare minimum. Previously and this season that objective was solely PL survival without any managerial grumbling, excuses or histrionics about financial situation. Mission accomplished for Roy.

PV - A (relatively) large investment in new players and an expectation of new direction, identity and ambition for the club. First season was promising however second progressed from worse, to awful to perilous and unsalvageable - literal months without winning. Mission failed for PV.

Roy has returned to secure safety and as a result of his fulfilling his mandate not dependant upon anything more than management of the players available to him. His continued staying would, again maybe just for me, represent the financial situation. I cannot see the board spending any sincere amount on new players with Roy there but you never know. My assumption would be that if they do, in the close season or in the future, identify funds for investment in the team the board will once more look to back a new, young, revolutionary.

Hopefully next time it works for more than one season!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I think in our case it’s the fear of relegation of course TL however with others it may be fear of not qualifying for Europe or even not winning a trophy etc.

Football has no patience these days, fortunately or unfortunately. It’s a money business only with fans the only real constant.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!