First of all I share the massive disappointment with the result.

But I'm going to stick my head above the parapet and defend PV - a bit.

As far as the subs were concerned, Brentford had just thrown on three sets of fresh legs. Sometimes you need to respond to what the other guy does.

Clearly PV thought we needed fresh legs, especially in midfield. Sending Ayew on made sense. Eze wasn't having his best game in my view and, whatever his faults, Ayew is always energetic.

Who could he send on for a tiring Schlupp? There really weren't many options on the bench. No one is going to pretend Luca is the player he once was and I do get a sense of foreboding when he comes on but he really isn't as awful as some on here seem to think. People have suggested Hughes is a better option but he wasn't even on the bench (injured?). MacArthur would have been ideal but he wasn't available either. The only other option on the bench was Phillips who I have hardly seen play.

The problem with going to five at the back with Mitchell on for Olise seemed to be that the players didn't then have a clue what they were supposed to be doing. They have played five at the back before, they train for that formation, they should have been able to handle it better than they did. Instead there was a collective mental breakdown with even Guaita making some God awful clearances. And the centre backs have to take responsibility for the absolutely appalling defending for the equaliser.

We do need a couple of incoming transfers that's for sure and clearly we need to keep Wilf.

I’m not with the full on criticism of Luka coming on. All that was required was a bulking up of the midfield with perhaps Ayew on the right and Luka alongside Dacoure and Schlupp. It was messing around with the defence and practically all the others on the pitch that caused the problems. PV screwed up a win last night and thank goodness we got a point.

On paper you are right PV screwed up ,but only because the players he trusted to do a job screwed up a simple defensive situation. We need an old head in these situations to make sure the doors are closed, because the young lads we have obviously don’t read these situations anywhere near well enough, it is happening to often. Going by his interview even the usually cool PV is getting annoyed with the situation.

When Brentford Scored PV was really animated on the touchline last night, you could easily see was pretty upset.

Surprised by the Luca criticism as I saw the true offender as Mitchell. He made error after error after coming on; and he was literally marking no-one when THAT cross came over.

I am with Wilf with the frustration as he must have watched that free header and thought: WTF.

Depressingly, Mitchell (and Olise - almost there) needs a bit more game time before he was the beast who all but fended off Man City single handed last season.

I would propose that if you are the manager it is your duty to choose the right tactics and players for any situation you assess, and to have trained them, therefore PV is at fault. He could well be animated at Johnstone coming on and missing a last minute penalty we might of won but would again be responsible if Johnstone taking it is his decision. Bad worker - tools springs to mind.

The context here being that I don't think there's need for massive reaction just yet but it is something PV needs to address and he has to take responsibility for not managing us to see that game out yesterday which I, and I think many others (including Wilf), are inclined to believe we could have done.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!