I suspect he asked for f all

I concluded no answer from me was needed you answered yourself in a rhetorical way.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

But it does rather deflate your assertion that the UK should have remained and changed the EU from within. I suspect the moment Cameron returned with nothing those people who were leaning towards Brexit made up their minds. I am confident that if Merkel had thrown him a bone we would have remained probably with the same margin.

The EU has always been a Franco / German alliance which other countries have been happy to go along with. The French protect their agriculture and the Germans protect their industry all very understandable.

However we are now seeing the strains especially as without our funding other countries are having to pony up. I don't say the EU will fail just that there will be more strains and arguments unless the Germans and the French reign in their selfish agendas.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Aug 2022 9.27am)

One more point

I'm not sure that I do.

National governments allow for more local autonomy. They are more answerable to the needs of their citizens and can more easily make decisions that benefit them specifically.

Race and specifically, the survival of the 'White race', will not necessarily benefit from a United States of Europe. In fact, I suspect the opposite. Globalist entities can control one centralised federation far easier than many separate states.

White Europeans will only survive if they realise as individuals and as a group that they are now the oppressed and ultimately at risk of extinction. They need to see the danger now and engineer a different political landscape that allows them to defend themselves.
The idea spread by self interested White haters and Leftists that this is all just a Far Right delusion must be dismissed for the propaganda that it is.

We need to halt mass immigration. Halt illegal immigration, repeal the outrageously racist anti White employment policies and stop immigrant owned businesses from avoiding tax just for starters.
We also need to expect the same puritanical standards from other races regarding racial politics that we seem to expect of ourselves. Either that or the absurd sensitivity regarding race must end. Hypocrisy must end.
White guilt and critical race theory must be exposed for the nonsense that it is.

Indeed. I think his arrogance regarding potential result was there for all to see

Edited by Spiderman (25 Aug 2022 11.42am)

In Camerons defence, he had very little choice. He had not expected to win a working majority on 2015 and when he did, could not kick that can down the road.

And based on conventional political norms, had every reason to be confident of winning it. Throw in the Scottish referendum, in which the accepted adagae of 'Its the economy stupid' proved to be correct, then he had every reason to be confident.

As I have said earlier, I think the fatal flaw for him was the polling models which were wrong. Presenting a completely false picture of what the public mood on the issue was.

If the polling had been more accurate then Remain would have changed tack and also the EU would have probably been more forthcoming with giving Cameron some concessions.

Because the EU leaders were genuinely shocked when the result became apparent. If you are sad enough, then looking up their reactions on YouTube is a revelation. They did not see a Leave vote coming.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.