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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Jan 23 12.27pm | |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
PL sides are feeder clubs to everyone, and that's no bad thing. A tiny minority of players from any academy end up in the PL, but if you don't develop them then you deprive them of their careers, if not at your club then elsewhere in the game. Thus, PL academies really exist to prepare youngsters for careers in football and that's a valuable thing. It doesn't have to be at the PL club, though it's great when it is. We are already a feeder club. We have Philips and Street at Shrewsbury. Gordon at Carlisle. Ebiowei at Hull. Rak Sakyi at Charlton. Plange at Lincoln. O'Brien off somewhere today. At best, one of those may have a career at Palace but all will likely have a career of some sort in football as a result our developing them. Who cares if they're scattered around the lower divisions or playing for one of Textor's clubs; it's the same difference. PL clubs are a selfish, self-interested group motivated by very little other than money. Developing young players in world-class academies is one of the very few things PL clubs do that actually benefits the game itself. Anyone who thinks developing young players isn't worthwhile unless it directly helps the parent club all of the time is very myopic indeed. Fair enough, you're not wrong. However, it's a completely different situation than being told to give your players to Lyon because they're above you in the pecking order. Wastage of players deemed not up to it or not required is natural - if a little cruel and unfortunate sometimes.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 31 Jan 23 1.05pm | |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
PL sides are feeder clubs to everyone, and that's no bad thing. A tiny minority of players from any academy end up in the PL, but if you don't develop them then you deprive them of their careers, if not at your club then elsewhere in the game. Thus, PL academies really exist to prepare youngsters for careers in football and that's a valuable thing. It doesn't have to be at the PL club, though it's great when it is. We are already a feeder club. We have Philips and Street at Shrewsbury. Gordon at Carlisle. Ebiowei at Hull. Rak Sakyi at Charlton. Plange at Lincoln. O'Brien off somewhere today. At best, one of those may have a career at Palace but all will likely have a career of some sort in football as a result our developing them. Who cares if they're scattered around the lower divisions or playing for one of Textor's clubs; it's the same difference. PL clubs are a selfish, self-interested group motivated by very little other than money. Developing young players in world-class academies is one of the very few things PL clubs do that actually benefits the game itself. Anyone who thinks developing young players isn't worthwhile unless it directly helps the parent club all of the time is very myopic indeed. I get what you're saying Syd, but my definition of a feeder club is one in which a club is selling on their top talent. Not the fringe players that may well not make it at Palace.
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PatrickA London 09 Feb 23 9.53am | |
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In breaking news the Telegraph has just announced the formation of a new Super League, bringing back what was supposedly never to happen.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 09 Feb 23 12.38pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
In breaking news the Telegraph has just announced the formation of a new Super League, bringing back what was supposedly never to happen.
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PJEagle London 09 Feb 23 1.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Palace in the Blood
I agree with Syd as there are a number of positives in this sort of structure. The most obvious is the use of the associated clubs to act as feeders for the best talent to the most profitable/highest ranking clubs. Also the opportunity for fringe players and young talent to get first team minutes in a good quality league which often will not be as physical as the EPL. In my vew this may be more profitable in the long run than loans to lower league British Clubs. Nobody can turn the clock back, and multinational business corporations like the Saudi wealth fund behind Mam City see football as an investment asset. These people are serious investment manipulators as can be seen with the way the Financial Fareplay rules have been ruthlesslessly exploited, at City and obviously Chelsea, and Newcastle, amongst others. Fans might just see players on the pitch, but many clubs are simply the tentacles of vast and rather sinister financial empires.
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radicalsteve ottawa 10 Feb 23 4.36pm | |
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interesting perspective on current Parish / Textor dynamics: Seems like Parish is at odds with his fellow investors, and he is the minority owner clinging on for power as the exec chairman. Turmoil in the boardroom will play out throughout the organisation and eventually impact the team. The poor January transfer window does not bode well for the club and lack of investment in the team going forward positions us for the Championship, especially if Textor walks, or Harris / Blitzer sell off their stake. I find all of this somewhat uneasy.
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MrRobbo Chaldon 10 Feb 23 5.36pm | |
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Originally posted by radicalsteve
interesting perspective on current Parish / Textor dynamics: Seems like Parish is at odds with his fellow investors, and he is the minority owner clinging on for power as the exec chairman. Turmoil in the boardroom will play out throughout the organisation and eventually impact the team. The poor January transfer window does not bode well for the club and lack of investment in the team going forward positions us for the Championship, especially if Textor walks, or Harris / Blitzer sell off their stake. I find all of this somewhat uneasy. I posted on another thread, but I'm calling this a crock of sh1t. Apart from this same stupid line "frustrated at Parish’s hands-on approach and what he perceives as a lack of ambition in the transfer market" What else of any legitimacy points to any rift or issue?
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PJEagle London 10 Feb 23 5.38pm | |
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Originally posted by radicalsteve
interesting perspective on current Parish / Textor dynamics: Seems like Parish is at odds with his fellow investors, and he is the minority owner clinging on for power as the exec chairman. Turmoil in the boardroom will play out throughout the organisation and eventually impact the team. The poor January transfer window does not bode well for the club and lack of investment in the team going forward positions us for the Championship, especially if Textor walks, or Harris / Blitzer sell off their stake. I find all of this somewhat uneasy. I think most of us here would share your view. The article is very enlightening, and many thanks for providing the link. But it does look like Textor has provided a lot of dosh. Let's hope he does the same in the summer when we're going to need loads of it, and a transfer window is as successful as the one that brought Olise, Geuhi et al to the club. Hanging on to a PL club looks like being a pole dancer on the slipperyest pole imaginable.
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radicalsteve ottawa 10 Feb 23 11.59pm | |
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The way I think about it is just like any other business. Our fans are like retail investors in a public company, but the investors call the shots based on their equity positions, which gives Textor the biggest heft at the table. Like any other business there is "maintenance capital" to keep the business performing and stable. Then there is investment capital to grow the business. Our academy is like R&D - no guarantees, but good management should deliver new products that can perform in the market. Then there are acquisitions to supplement organic growth .... this is the area that CPFC are not competing very well compared to the competition. Hence our risk profile is getting worse due to lack of growth capital being put into the business. Unfortunately our income from operations would be lower than many clubs, so less money available for investment. Therefore we need new infusions of capital and cash from investors, and like in any other business, there are many avenues to financing growth...... apologies if I come across as being a bit didactic, but the business facts are the facts.
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Midlands Eagle 11 Feb 23 6.36am | |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
I posted on another thread, but I'm calling this a crock of sh1t. FWIW Ed Aarons is a respected football journalist and not one of the many click bait morons who just make stuff up
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mtp1958 Oswestry 11 Feb 23 1.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
FWIW Ed Aarons is a respected football journalist and not one of the many click bait morons who just make stuff up yes and so are most who get there facts wrong to sell a story so unless a statement comes from the board take it as another football part story with added words with out real facts
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Nth Kent Eagle Dartford 01 Mar 23 4.35pm | |
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There’s an article on JT just now on the front page of the FT. Type the headline into the search bar and it sometimes lets you past the paywall.
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