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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 01 Apr 22 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you deny the existence of these? What are you on about now? We are discussing your attitude to things, not whether the things exist.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 01 Apr 22 7.08pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What are you on about now? We are discussing your attitude to things, not whether the things exist. Attitude? Like when you wanted to defy the majority and stay in Europe? Like when you think that the BBC is unbiased? Like when you told us that the media didn't do a hatchet job on Donald Trump? Attitude like that? Yeah, I'm happy to give you my attitude on that kind of deluded codswallop.
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| mtp1958 Oswestry 01 Apr 22 8.19pm |
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look anyone who thinks the media are not bised need there head looked at , cant think of one journalist who hasnt put 1+1 and made it 12 , covid showed that at when the updates was being done , so not one outlet has a unbiased opinion so silly topic really
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Apr 22 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Attitude? Like when you wanted to defy the majority and stay in Europe? Like when you think that the BBC is unbiased? Like when you told us that the media didn't do a hatchet job on Donald Trump? Attitude like that? Yeah, I'm happy to give you my attitude on that kind of deluded codswallop. We're not discussing your opinion of my attitudes, which I am perfectly capable of explaining. I do so very frequently here. We are discussing your attitudes to the kind of things I listed, which I described as being thought odious by others. In seeking to divert, you are doing nothing to convince anyone otherwise. By the way. Every one of those statements about me is a lie. Except the BBC, which isn't biased. The only bias involving the BBC is from those who think it's biased.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Apr 22 9.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
One has to sure with Wisbech. He lives in a strange reality. Nothing the least strange about reality. Come and try it one day. It doesn't hurt.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Apr 22 9.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Was it this desire for reality and truth that lead you to pursue a long career in marketing? No, it was an economic necessity. Nevertheless, being honest and always trying to ensure the customer got what they needed, meant I established a good reputation and built trust.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Apr 22 10.11pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I’ve just watched it and to be honest was a bit disappointed. I cannot believe Bill Cotton and Michael Grade knew nothing about the actions of these people who were after all 4 of the most famous stars on tv at the time and two of them in particular top of the tree. There must have been loads of people who knew what was going on but were probably afraid about losing their jobs or in higher management, their ratings. I had forgotten that the BBC refused to look into Saville’s abuse and that it took a Man Alive ITV programme to bring it to light. I find this rather damning of the BBC as was the shelving of a Newsnight file by a BBC editor. The idea of famous people thinking they can do whatever they want is of course not new and will probably never change and you only have to look at recent cases with footballers who have been arrested for similar crimes to confirm. There is of course the big question which is how much of this still goes on without it ever coming to light? I think the response of the public to the discovery of the actions of the disgraced 4 was pretty much normal and I suppose you could look at their fall from grace as an example of the population cancelling them. At the end of the day bad people are bad people and should be treated accordingly and I think the public reacted as expected. If the programme concluded anything positive it is that the UK as a whole is now more receptive to the abuse claims made by victims which is a good thing. The biggest disappointment for me of the documentary is that no one faces any significant criticism other than the abusers. They talk about there being a change in culture as a result of the ‘discoveries’, but jeez, this was serious stuff that had been largely swept under the carpet. The failings at the BBC, which have been discussed many times before, weren't what struck me. This was a much wider problem than the BBC, which was reflecting the general culture at the time. What made me think was how this was a male dominated culture in which the "celebrities" were regarded as almost entitled to take advantage of their adoring female fans, some very young. Even when the women were abused, they felt there was nothing they could do, to the point, it seemed to me, that they felt guilty themselves. It was pointed out that it was the "Me-Too" movement which enabled the women to speak out and demand justice. It's the empowerment of women that has brought about this sea change in our collective culture. Abusers today, footballers included, are going to face much bigger problems, earlier and more aggressively, than these men did. As I have written elsewhere, there are aspects of what is dismissed by some as being "woke", that have had a very positive impact, whilst others will just fade away in time. Without women becoming more assertive, none of this might have ever come to the light. There are potential dangers too, of course. Of false claims, and of us being reluctant to do anything that might be misconstrued. Even giving a kid a smile these days seems wrought with danger!
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Teddy Eagle  01 Apr 22 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The failings at the BBC, which have been discussed many times before, weren't what struck me. This was a much wider problem than the BBC, which was reflecting the general culture at the time. What made me think was how this was a male dominated culture in which the "celebrities" were regarded as almost entitled to take advantage of their adoring female fans, some very young. Even when the women were abused, they felt there was nothing they could do, to the point, it seemed to me, that they felt guilty themselves. It was pointed out that it was the "Me-Too" movement which enabled the women to speak out and demand justice. It's the empowerment of women that has brought about this sea change in our collective culture. Abusers today, footballers included, are going to face much bigger problems, earlier and more aggressively, than these men did. As I have written elsewhere, there are aspects of what is dismissed by some as being "woke", that have had a very positive impact, whilst others will just fade away in time. Without women becoming more assertive, none of this might have ever come to the light. There are potential dangers too, of course. Of false claims, and of us being reluctant to do anything that might be misconstrued. Even giving a kid a smile these days seems wrought with danger! Or considering Savile was dead and both Hall and Harris over 80 there was no incentive for the BBC to continue to cover up.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Apr 22 10.33pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Or considering Savile was dead and both Hall and Harris over 80 there was no incentive for the BBC to continue to cover up. Have you watched the documentary?
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| Teddy Eagle 01 Apr 22 10.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Have you watched the documentary? No I haven’t. Did it mention why the BBC wouldn’t let Savile into the studio when they were filming Children in Need?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Apr 22 11.53pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
No I haven’t. Did it mention why the BBC wouldn’t let Savile into the studio when they were filming Children in Need? Not that I recall, but this wasn't exclusively about Savile or the BBC. It was more an exploration of the underlying culture and what has changed since then. The stories of Savile, Gadd, Harris and Hall were told to put that into context and explain how they were regarded and treated. That's why I said in my initial post I wasn't going to comment on them. Another thread which takes aim at the BBC and the way it failed over these men is to miss the point. I hesitated before I even mentioned it, because I anticipated a diversion.
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| Teddy Eagle 02 Apr 22 12.24am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not that I recall, but this wasn't exclusively about Savile or the BBC. It was more an exploration of the underlying culture and what has changed since then. The stories of Savile, Gadd, Harris and Hall were told to put that into context and explain how they were regarded and treated. That's why I said in my initial post I wasn't going to comment on them. Another thread which takes aim at the BBC and the way it failed over these men is to miss the point. I hesitated before I even mentioned it, because I anticipated a diversion. That implies that had they not been effectively forced into it that whoever employed these men would have let their crimes go unrecognised.
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