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cryrst Flag The garden of England 25 Mar 22 8.15pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


If it does, and it's a big if, it's not the point.

It's NOT the law. If people are influenced by it, or allow it to control their lives, they do so voluntarily.

Supporting Palace has that impact on some people.

You cracked it with one word. Voluntarily.
If you think muslims are not brow beaten and threatened if they don't conform to local 'rules'. I mean the area being primarily Muslim then you are deluded. Sharia rules offers loans to muslims virtually interest free. How much would you need to conform to get these loans? Imagine getting a loan and sticking two fingers up to the rules. This is sharia in action.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 10.01pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You cracked it with one word. Voluntarily.
If you think muslims are not brow beaten and threatened if they don't conform to local 'rules'. I mean the area being primarily Muslim then you are deluded. Sharia rules offers loans to muslims virtually interest free. How much would you need to conform to get these loans? Imagine getting a loan and sticking two fingers up to the rules. This is sharia in action.

I have no idea if any of that is true. I do know that interest is a no no in Islam, so they have to get round it with other schemes. Some of which are open to non-Muslims too.

None of that matters though in the context under review. The bottom line is that it is not the law of the land. It does not have to be followed, by anyone. Everyone has a choice.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Mar 22 12.14am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have no idea if any of that is true. I do know that interest is a no no in Islam, so they have to get round it with other schemes. Some of which are open to non-Muslims too.

None of that matters though in the context under review. The bottom line is that it is not the law of the land. It does not have to be followed, by anyone. Everyone has a choice.

True but I beleive you are using the word 'law' to furnish your argument. It's not english law to wear a nijhab but if women don't many are beaten. It's not English law to have an arranged marriage but women and men have been killed for not doing it. These are sharia in action so yes no law exists but sharia 'laws' are expected to be followed and even you know or have or could find evidence of the two examples.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 22 7.30am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

True but I beleive you are using the word 'law' to furnish your argument. It's not english law to wear a nijhab but if women don't many are beaten. It's not English law to have an arranged marriage but women and men have been killed for not doing it. These are sharia in action so yes no law exists but sharia 'laws' are expected to be followed and even you know or have or could find evidence of the two examples.

That any group follows conventions and puts pressures on its members to conform isn't that unusual. Any that break the law in so doing, in the ways you suggest, deserve the full force to be applied. Making sure that is understood by everyone is very important.

None of that though changes the facts. Indeed, it reinforces the need to make sure all of this is out in the open and that no-one starts to describe, or assume, that those who use Sharia can do such things because of it. They cannot. We need to say so loudly.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Mar 22 8.50am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


If it does, and it's a big if, it's not the point.

It's NOT the law. If people are influenced by it, or allow it to control their lives, they do so voluntarily.

Supporting Palace has that impact on some people.

As usual, you would rather indulge in semantics than reality.

There is very little voluntary about Islam. You are born into it, and you are expected to abide by its rules.

What happens when Sharia Law conflicts with English law?

Do you think that the Police will be in a hurry to prosecute?

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 26 Mar 22 9.02am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have no idea if any of that is true. I do know that interest is a no no in Islam, so they have to get round it with other schemes. Some of which are open to non-Muslims too.

None of that matters though in the context under review. The bottom line is that it is not the law of the land. It does not have to be followed, by anyone. Everyone has a choice.

are you on drugs ? Try being openly gay in that community. Choose to come out of the closet.

The invisible ( unofficial) Rules are often rigidly enforced. And if you cannot see that then you are truly blind.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 26 Mar 22 10.08am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

This has become a staggering discussion. The usual culprit hundreds of miles from any of this believes (does he?) that Muslims in areas of high numbers of Muslims like East London, Luton, the midlands, NW England and Yorkshire towns are free to do whatever they like within British law with freedom to do so and without, you know, being beaten or murdered or ordered to return to pakistan. Some just disappear. Not only that but the police are actively involved in the community instead of its community heads calling the shots. It’s as if the taxi gang rapes across the north of England never happened. Still, a nice spring stroll awaits in Cornwall to forget reality.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Mar 22 10.24am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

If people want to be convinced there are plenty of Muslim scholars who have written about communities living separate lives to the rest of the population (parallel lives is the term used). Try something like "Among the Mosques" by Ed Hussain. There are hundreds of academic papers on it too. This does creep into some journalism but is obviously not a feel good, diversity story, so usually doesn't make it.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 22 1.18pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As usual, you would rather indulge in semantics than reality.

There is very little voluntary about Islam. You are born into it, and you are expected to abide by its rules.

What happens when Sharia Law conflicts with English law?

Do you think that the Police will be in a hurry to prosecute?

We are beginning to expose why this is so important.

If the Islamic community believes that Sharia law must be obeyed, and the rest of us begin to accept that, then there will be a very large problem going forward.

Those impacted badly by Sharia will start to believe that British law does not protect them, and not seek shelter under it.

In my opinion, we need to call this out, every time it rears its head. It's not the Police's job to prosecute. It's making sure that the role of Sharia is clearly understood by those who administer it and by those who use it. That demands intervention and oversight. Standing back and watching is not an option.

I would insist that local authorities have observers who attend hearings, provide advice to users about whether they must accept rulings, and what to do if they don't. Then we need to stop any intimidation and provide the necessary support.

Allowing any alternative system of justice to be practised in the UK is unacceptable. A voluntary mediation service is fine.

Us believing that an alternative system already exists is tantamount to approval. It doesn't, and it mustn't. We need to say so, loudly and clearly.

Tolerating any religious belief is fine. Allowing any belief to think it can adopt a separate way of life, is not. Establishing the difference is what I am addressing.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 22 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

are you on drugs ? Try being openly gay in that community. Choose to come out of the closet.

The invisible ( unofficial) Rules are often rigidly enforced. And if you cannot see that then you are truly blind.

That's unacceptable. Call it out. The law is the law. Make sure everyone understands that.

Just holding up your hands and moaning isn't enough.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 22 1.29pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

This has become a staggering discussion. The usual culprit hundreds of miles from any of this believes (does he?) that Muslims in areas of high numbers of Muslims like East London, Luton, the midlands, NW England and Yorkshire towns are free to do whatever they like within British law with freedom to do so and without, you know, being beaten or murdered or ordered to return to pakistan. Some just disappear. Not only that but the police are actively involved in the community instead of its community heads calling the shots. It’s as if the taxi gang rapes across the north of England never happened. Still, a nice spring stroll awaits in Cornwall to forget reality.

The staggering thing is that you seem to think that because this is, it must be.

If people break the law, then let the law deal with them.

If the law doesn't have the resources to do so, provide the resources.

If this needs time, take the time.

We live in Britain. Everyone needs to understand what that means and what they need to do. That includes us.

The grooming gangs are criminals. The law needs to deal with them. The religious beliefs of the criminals are irrelevant to that fact. If we excuse, or even explain, anything because of religion, we have already lost the argument. We must ignore religion and follow the law.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Mar 22 2.37pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The guy who supported the creation of the problem.....then berates the inevitable consequences of it.

It's people like him...that should be the ones going into the mosques and enforcing these laws.

When it's your politics that have created the mess, then it's people like you who should clear it up......good luck with that.

Not hiding away in leafy nice areas of the country where your global village politics aren't even welcome.

And to think he thinks countries without these problems should welcome them in.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2022 2.39pm)

 


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