Well it can't be Thornbury or Abbot....those two would sink any boat.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Of course not. I have heard that excuse before, and it's nonsense. Such things are decided by Parliament and there has never been a suggestion from them that we ought to come out. The ONLY reason we ended up with a disastrous referendum was Tory selfishness. They were fearful of being torn asunder by UKIP so put Party before country to stop it. That they never expected to lose is no excuse. It was a disgraceful act not worthy of a great party.

Holding a referendum on an issue already decided upon in Parliament was unforgivable.

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Which matters not tbh. Its done

BBC are quiet on the latest allegations around Starmer and COVID? Wall to wall about Tory sleaze (fair enough) not so keen on pointing the finger at St Keir.

One more point

My comments are all about the lack of political morality that resulted in a referendum, the dishonesty of the campaigning, the foreign interference and the failure of the opposition in Parliament to get organised and do their constitutional duty.

As these events resulted in the biggest political disaster of my lifetime I will also comment on how we can recover from it.

You won't read much from me about Brexit itself, the ongoing negotiations, the lack of trade deals, the flight of UK businesses or difficulties with exports and imports and other direct consequences. There's nothing to say. They speak for themselves.

The pretence that everything will work out just fine needs to be continually exposed for the hypocrisy it is. Brexit is now history. All we can do with it is learn from it and never be that stupid again. The primary lesson being that referendums need to be consigned to history too. Unless the events that resulted in it are kept in view that won't happen.

We need to vote in a Parliament with a clear mandate to negotiate a new form of associate membership of the EU. One that will satisfy both the Scots and the Irish and avoid the breakup of the Union. No-one is talking about this yet, but I predict they will. The grass is greener argument cuts both ways.

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I don't excuse the EU in also miscalculating or in seeking to make life difficult for us as an example to other waverers.

However, when mutual interests collide ways will be found and as there is an overwhelming need for us to be in the European club I think it will be. What form it will take is an open question but whilst Brexit might be "done" I think it is but another chapter in the saga which is our relationship with our neighbours.

This government will go. The pandemic will end. We will reassess, and move on again. I might not live to see it but we, and the world, face too many big problems to go on squabbling over a common sense arrangement. The political imperatives to do so are just too big to be ignored.

The xenophobes have had their day. Common sense will return.

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