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Stirlingsays 27 Oct 21 11.35am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow And before that it was done by Colin Kaepernick with no affiliation to any political organisation, and was chosen as a particularly inoffensive way of making his point. And since then, specific to English football it's been explained hundreds of time that they are not supporting the political organisation - we've hit a point where people can witness a protest, ask the protestors what they're protesting about, and when they answer, we tell them they're wrong and they're actually protesting something different. Kaepernick supports all the same black political movements that push this agenda. I just think it's disingenuous to claim that this has nothing to do with BLM when it's an action they were doing and that they support and that the players and FA copied. If I started doing the Hitler salute and told you it was just nationalism and unrelated to the Nazis or disliking Jews I expect you wouldn't believe me....especially if previously I was doing it in a brown shirt. This is repeating the 'argument on the boards previously....kind of pointless as none of us are going to agree. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2021 11.36am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Oct 21 11.35am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

And before that it was done by Colin Kaepernick with no affiliation to any political organisation, and was chosen as a particularly inoffensive way of making his point.

And since then, specific to English football it's been explained hundreds of time that they are not supporting the political organisation - we've hit a point where people can witness a protest, ask the protestors what they're protesting about, and when they answer, we tell them they're wrong and they're actually protesting something different.

Kaepernick supports all the same black political movements that push this agenda.

I just think it's disingenuous to claim that this has nothing to do with BLM when it's an action they were doing and that they support and that the players and FA copied.

If I started doing the Hitler salute and told you it was just nationalism and unrelated to the Nazis or disliking Jews I expect you wouldn't believe me....especially if previously I was doing it in a brown shirt.

This is repeating the 'argument on the boards previously....kind of pointless as none of us are going to agree.

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Oct 21 11.38am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow The idea that you assess the validity of a protest based on what it achieved is silly. The validity of opposing racism is not in question. The question is why we are persisting with a useless gesture, and why anyone thinks that we need a constant barrage of supposedly anti racist propaganda in Britain where racism is not a significant issue.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The idea that you assess the validity of a protest based on what it achieved is silly.

The validity of opposing racism is not in question.

The question is why we are persisting with a useless gesture, and why anyone thinks that we need a constant barrage of supposedly anti racist propaganda in Britain where racism is not a significant issue.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Oct 21 11.41am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Kaepernick supports all the same black political movements that push this agenda. I just think it's disingenuous to claim that this has nothing to do with BLM when it's an action they were doing and that they support and that the players and FA copied. If I started doing the Hitler salute and told you it was just nationalism and unrelated to the Nazis or disliking Jews I expect you wouldn't believe me....especially if previously I was doing it in a brown shirt. This is repeating the 'argument on the boards previously....kind of pointless as none of us are going to agree. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2021 11.36am) But when the gesture existed as an anti-racism gesture long, long before BLM as an organisation even existed, that logic doesn't make sense. If there are tens of example of the Nazi gesture being used by other nationalist organisations, over decades, without any links to Nazis, then the comparison might be apt.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Kaepernick supports all the same black political movements that push this agenda.

I just think it's disingenuous to claim that this has nothing to do with BLM when it's an action they were doing and that they support and that the players and FA copied.

This is repeating the 'argument on the boards previously....kind of pointless as none of us are going to agree.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2021 11.36am)

But when the gesture existed as an anti-racism gesture long, long before BLM as an organisation even existed, that logic doesn't make sense.

If there are tens of example of the Nazi gesture being used by other nationalist organisations, over decades, without any links to Nazis, then the comparison might be apt.

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kuge Peckham 27 Oct 21 11.47am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Rubbish. Poppies represent the remembrance of dead soldiers. They serve no other purpose except perhaps to remind us of the cost of war. You are trying to be 'right' while knowing full well that what you claim is nonsense. Taking the knee asks us to remember that racism is a cancer on our society. It serves no other purpose than to remind us of that. I agree that poppies remind us of the human cost of war but they also serve another additional purpose in that they raise money for the support of injured veterans. This was the original purpose of the poppy. As I am sure you know it was the idea of an American woman Moina Michael, inspired by a poem by the Canadian soldier John McCrae, to make and sell poppies to raise money to support returning troops. It was a French woman, Anna Guérin, that introduced the idea of selling poppies as a money-raising campaign to the UK in 1921.
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Peckham 27 Oct 21 11.47am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Rubbish.

Poppies represent the remembrance of dead soldiers. They serve no other purpose except perhaps to remind us of the cost of war.

You are trying to be 'right' while knowing full well that what you claim is nonsense.

Taking the knee asks us to remember that racism is a cancer on our society. It serves no other purpose than to remind us of that.

I agree that poppies remind us of the human cost of war but they also serve another additional purpose in that they raise money for the support of injured veterans. This was the original purpose of the poppy.

As I am sure you know it was the idea of an American woman Moina Michael, inspired by a poem by the Canadian soldier John McCrae, to make and sell poppies to raise money to support returning troops. It was a French woman, Anna Guérin, that introduced the idea of selling poppies as a money-raising campaign to the UK in 1921.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 27 Oct 21 12.20pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Tell that to James Mclean who gets dogs abuse every year for not wearing one. It's been explained so many times that the gesture is not in support of BLM. Then why do they raise the clenched fist, which, im sure you know is the 'Black Power' sign/motif, which BLM use as well? Edited by eagleman13 (27 Oct 2021 12.21pm) This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 27 Oct 21 12.20pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Tell that to James Mclean who gets dogs abuse every year for not wearing one.

It's been explained so many times that the gesture is not in support of BLM.

Then why do they raise the clenched fist, which, im sure you know is the 'Black Power' sign/motif, which BLM use as well?

Edited by eagleman13 (27 Oct 2021 12.21pm)

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Stirlingsays 27 Oct 21 12.41pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow But when the gesture existed as an anti-racism gesture long, long before BLM as an organisation even existed, that logic doesn't make sense. If there are tens of example of the Nazi gesture being used by other nationalist organisations, over decades, without any links to Nazis, then the comparison might be apt. The comparison works precisely because the actions are linked. Your insistence that preforming the actions that BLM themselves perform while also displaying their message is just mind blowning....you obviously believe them....but again, like I say arguing over this is pointless. Kneeling, as you should know is a submission gesture used in power relationships. As a religious gesture it was co-opted by MLKJ and civil rights activists and then carried on from there. The whole process is now used to ideologically frame people, whereas the right always allowed people freedom of conscience the left want to take that away. I will never kneel as it isn't in my culture outside of to my God, to my king/Queen or proposing marriage. Especially not for leftist thought policing no matter how mainstream it tries to be. Well actually I wouldn't do it for any reason other than stated above. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2021 5.02pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Oct 21 12.41pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

But when the gesture existed as an anti-racism gesture long, long before BLM as an organisation even existed, that logic doesn't make sense.

If there are tens of example of the Nazi gesture being used by other nationalist organisations, over decades, without any links to Nazis, then the comparison might be apt.

The comparison works precisely because the actions are linked. Your insistence that preforming the actions that BLM themselves perform while also displaying their message is just mind blowning....you obviously believe them....but again, like I say arguing over this is pointless.

Kneeling, as you should know is a submission gesture used in power relationships. As a religious gesture it was co-opted by MLKJ and civil rights activists and then carried on from there. The whole process is now used to ideologically frame people, whereas the right always allowed people freedom of conscience the left want to take that away.

I will never kneel as it isn't in my culture outside of to my God, to my king/Queen or proposing marriage.

Especially not for leftist thought policing no matter how mainstream it tries to be.

Well actually I wouldn't do it for any reason other than stated above.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2021 5.02pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Oct 21 12.45pm
Originally posted by kuge Taking the knee asks us to remember that racism is a cancer on our society. It serves no other purpose than to remind us of that. I agree that poppies remind us of the human cost of war but they also serve another additional purpose in that they raise money for the support of injured veterans. This was the original purpose of the poppy. As I am sure you know it was the idea of an American woman Moina Michael, inspired by a poem by the Canadian soldier John McCrae, to make and sell poppies to raise money to support returning troops. It was a French woman, Anna Guérin, that introduced the idea of selling poppies as a money-raising campaign to the UK in 1921. We have poppies once a year for a day. I'm good with having anti racism day one day a year.I certainly don't need it every bloody day and Black history month on top. History is history. The Black population of Britain is around 5% and yet you would think that it is nearer 50% if you watch the TV. When you try to distort reality and add 'Black' to a description, you will only achieve more division, not less. The plight of immigrants is best served by quietly getting on with your life and trying to improve yourself, not complaining at every opportunity about how hard done by you are.
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27 Oct 21 12.45pm

Originally posted by kuge

Taking the knee asks us to remember that racism is a cancer on our society. It serves no other purpose than to remind us of that.

We have poppies once a year for a day.

I'm good with having anti racism day one day a year.I certainly don't need it every bloody day and Black history month on top. History is history.

The Black population of Britain is around 5% and yet you would think that it is nearer 50% if you watch the TV. When you try to distort reality and add 'Black' to a description, you will only achieve more division, not less.

The plight of immigrants is best served by quietly getting on with your life and trying to improve yourself, not complaining at every opportunity about how hard done by you are.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Oct 21 1.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The comparison works precisely because the actions are linked. Your insistence that preforming the actions that BLM themselves perform while also displaying their message is just mind blowning....you obviously believe them....but again, like I say arguing over this is pointless. Kneeling, as you should know is a submission gesture used in power relationships. As a religious gesture it was co-opted by MJK and civil rights activists and then carried on from there. The whole process is now used to ideologically frame people, whereas the right always allowed people freedom of conscience the left want to take that away. I will never kneel as it isn't in my culture outside of to my God, to my king/Queen or proposing marriage. Especially not for leftist thought policing no matter how mainstream it tries to be. Well actually I wouldn't do it for any reason other than stated above. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2021 12.46pm) And your insistence that you can tell other people what they are protesting is bizarre, but agree there is little value in further exchange on it. No one is asking you to kneel.
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SE19 27 Oct 21 1.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Kneeling, as you should know is a submission gesture used in power relationships. As a religious gesture it was co-opted by MJK and civil rights activists and then carried on from there. The whole process is now used to ideologically frame people, whereas the right always allowed people freedom of conscience the left want to take that away.

I will never kneel as it isn't in my culture outside of to my God, to my king/Queen or proposing marriage.

Especially not for leftist thought policing no matter how mainstream it tries to be.

Well actually I wouldn't do it for any reason other than stated above.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2021 12.46pm)

And your insistence that you can tell other people what they are protesting is bizarre, but agree there is little value in further exchange on it.

No one is asking you to kneel.

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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Oct 21 1.57pm
Originally posted by kuge Taking the knee asks us to remember that racism is a cancer on our society. It serves no other purpose than to remind us of that. I agree that poppies remind us of the human cost of war but they also serve another additional purpose in that they raise money for the support of injured veterans. This was the original purpose of the poppy. As I am sure you know it was the idea of an American woman Moina Michael, inspired by a poem by the Canadian soldier John McCrae, to make and sell poppies to raise money to support returning troops. It was a French woman, Anna Guérin, that introduced the idea of selling poppies as a money-raising campaign to the UK in 1921. I have sold poppy's for many years and am doing so again this year. I do not ask people to donate it is a personal choice I have never criticised James Maclean I think he's wrong but he should not be made to feel obligated to do so. Anyone that pushes the poppy agenda onto others is simply wrong the same as BLM pushing their views. Edited by Badger11 (27 Oct 2021 1.58pm) One more point
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Beckenham 27 Oct 21 1.57pm

Originally posted by kuge

Taking the knee asks us to remember that racism is a cancer on our society. It serves no other purpose than to remind us of that.

I have sold poppy's for many years and am doing so again this year. I do not ask people to donate it is a personal choice I have never criticised James Maclean I think he's wrong but he should not be made to feel obligated to do so. Anyone that pushes the poppy agenda onto others is simply wrong the same as BLM pushing their views.

Edited by Badger11 (27 Oct 2021 1.58pm)

One more point

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Oct 21 2.00pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I have sold poppy's for many years and am doing so again this year. I do not ask people to donate it is a personal choice I have never criticised James Maclean I think he's wrong but he should not be made to feel obligated to do so. Anyone that pushes the poppy agenda onto others is simply wrong the same as BLM pushing their views. Edited by Badger11 (27 Oct 2021 1.58pm) How are the players taking a knee pushing their views any more than you are by wearing a poppy?
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SE19 27 Oct 21 2.00pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Edited by Badger11 (27 Oct 2021 1.58pm)

How are the players taking a knee pushing their views any more than you are by wearing a poppy?

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Stirlingsays 27 Oct 21 2.04pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow And your insistence that you can tell other people what they are protesting is bizarre, but agree there is little value in further exchange on it. No one is asking you to kneel. Well, you obviously think you can...unless you just believe whatever is said by anyone....but yeah, little point on that. No....no one is asking me to kneel.....but this cricketer will lose his international career if he doesn't kneel won't he. Which proves that this isn't about personal conscience....at least in this instance. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Oct 21 2.04pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

And your insistence that you can tell other people what they are protesting is bizarre, but agree there is little value in further exchange on it.

No one is asking you to kneel.

Well, you obviously think you can...unless you just believe whatever is said by anyone....but yeah, little point on that.

No....no one is asking me to kneel.....but this cricketer will lose his international career if he doesn't kneel won't he.

Which proves that this isn't about personal conscience....at least in this instance.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Oct 21 2.18pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I have sold poppy's for many years and am doing so again this year. I do not ask people to donate it is a personal choice I have never criticised James Maclean I think he's wrong but he should not be made to feel obligated to do so. Anyone that pushes the poppy agenda onto others is simply wrong the same as BLM pushing their views. Edited by Badger11 (27 Oct 2021 1.58pm) James Maclean has conveniently forgotten how many Irish soldiers fought and died in both world wars. Can't fully blame him, the history of the country is only really coming to terms with it in recent times. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Oct 21 2.18pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Edited by Badger11 (27 Oct 2021 1.58pm)

James Maclean has conveniently forgotten how many Irish soldiers fought and died in both world wars. Can't fully blame him, the history of the country is only really coming to terms with it in recent times.

Red and Blue Army!

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