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steeleye20 Croydon 17 Aug 21 10.01pm
How amazing to see America, the west's super-power, glued to a Taliban press conference. It's as though they were awaiting instructions.
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Croydon 17 Aug 21 10.01pm

How amazing to see America, the west's super-power, glued to a Taliban press conference.

It's as though they were awaiting instructions.

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steeleye20 Croydon 17 Aug 21 10.13pm
Originally posted by Matov Perhaps the slightest shred of good to come from this, and it is a tad self-regarding concerning how we all interact with each other, is there seems to be, grudgingly at times, a general consensus about the piss poor quality of political leadership, across the board, in the Western World at the moment. We are all being played. That much is as clear as day to me. And we all come from a collective social class who have paid the real price, at least in terms of Western lives, for not only Afghanistan but every other insane Western interference in the matters of other countries. I am sure that within a few days we would all have retreated to our usual trenches and be back lobbying the usual BS at each other, but on this terrible tragedy, there appears a political unity of a kind that offers at least a minuscule fraction of hope that perhaps we can be rid of this parasitical political class we have lumbered ourselves with if we all collectively acknowledge what a shower of utter f***wits they are and don't let that wisdom fade. Yes, a little window of accord. The politicians and media are alas, veering towards cringing defeatism and deference to 'resolute' Biden. It's going to be awful.
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Croydon 17 Aug 21 10.13pm

Originally posted by Matov

Perhaps the slightest shred of good to come from this, and it is a tad self-regarding concerning how we all interact with each other, is there seems to be, grudgingly at times, a general consensus about the piss poor quality of political leadership, across the board, in the Western World at the moment.

We are all being played. That much is as clear as day to me. And we all come from a collective social class who have paid the real price, at least in terms of Western lives, for not only Afghanistan but every other insane Western interference in the matters of other countries.

I am sure that within a few days we would all have retreated to our usual trenches and be back lobbying the usual BS at each other, but on this terrible tragedy, there appears a political unity of a kind that offers at least a minuscule fraction of hope that perhaps we can be rid of this parasitical political class we have lumbered ourselves with if we all collectively acknowledge what a shower of utter f***wits they are and don't let that wisdom fade.

Yes, a little window of accord.

The politicians and media are alas, veering towards cringing defeatism and deference to 'resolute' Biden.

It's going to be awful.

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Matov 17 Aug 21 10.21pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Yes, a little window of accord. The politicians and media are alas, veering towards cringing defeatism and deference to 'resolute' Biden. It's going to be awful. Perhaps it is just me, and I am more than willing to be shot down here for being a paranoid loon, but the Taliban PR machine seems a tad more 'polished' than perhaps you might have expected? Seen a couple of sources, and not the usual Right Wing types I favour, already making claims that behind the scenes it's already mass round-ups and so on. Maybe it's all a ploy to keep things stable until the Kabul Airport farce plays out but my spider-sense is tingling just a little bit that there is something odd going on. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

17 Aug 21 10.21pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes, a little window of accord.

The politicians and media are alas, veering towards cringing defeatism and deference to 'resolute' Biden.

It's going to be awful.

Perhaps it is just me, and I am more than willing to be shot down here for being a paranoid loon, but the Taliban PR machine seems a tad more 'polished' than perhaps you might have expected?

Seen a couple of sources, and not the usual Right Wing types I favour, already making claims that behind the scenes it's already mass round-ups and so on.

Maybe it's all a ploy to keep things stable until the Kabul Airport farce plays out but my spider-sense is tingling just a little bit that there is something odd going on.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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jeeagles 17 Aug 21 10.27pm
Originally posted by Matov Perhaps it is just me, and I am more than willing to be shot down here for being a paranoid loon, but the Taliban PR machine seems a tad more 'polished' than perhaps you might have expected? Seen a couple of sources, and not the usual Right Wing types I favour, already making claims that behind the scenes it's already mass round-ups and so on. Maybe it's all a ploy to keep things stable until the Kabul Airport farce plays out but my spider-sense is tingling just a little bit that there is something odd going on. The propaganda is up there with some of the most successful tyrants in history.I
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17 Aug 21 10.27pm

Originally posted by Matov
Perhaps it is just me, and I am more than willing to be shot down here for being a paranoid loon, but the Taliban PR machine seems a tad more 'polished' than perhaps you might have expected?

Seen a couple of sources, and not the usual Right Wing types I favour, already making claims that behind the scenes it's already mass round-ups and so on.

Maybe it's all a ploy to keep things stable until the Kabul Airport farce plays out but my spider-sense is tingling just a little bit that there is something odd going on.

The propaganda is up there with some of the most successful tyrants in history.I

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 17 Aug 21 10.33pm
Originally posted by Matov Perhaps it is just me, and I am more than willing to be shot down here for being a paranoid loon, but the Taliban PR machine seems a tad more 'polished' than perhaps you might have expected? Seen a couple of sources, and not the usual Right Wing types I favour, already making claims that behind the scenes it's already mass round-ups and so on. Maybe it's all a ploy to keep things stable until the Kabul Airport farce plays out but my spider-sense is tingling just a little bit that there is something odd going on. [Link] Not safe for work. Taliban are already dragging people out of their homes and shooting them in the street. Young girls are spared however taken away and handed over to the leadership for them to decide what to do with them. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 17 Aug 21 10.33pm

Originally posted by Matov

Perhaps it is just me, and I am more than willing to be shot down here for being a paranoid loon, but the Taliban PR machine seems a tad more 'polished' than perhaps you might have expected?

Seen a couple of sources, and not the usual Right Wing types I favour, already making claims that behind the scenes it's already mass round-ups and so on.

Maybe it's all a ploy to keep things stable until the Kabul Airport farce plays out but my spider-sense is tingling just a little bit that there is something odd going on.

[Link]

Not safe for work.

Taliban are already dragging people out of their homes and shooting them in the street.
Young girls are spared however taken away and handed over to the leadership for them to decide what to do with them.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Matov 17 Aug 21 10.34pm
A genuine LOL moment. [Tweet Link] "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

17 Aug 21 10.34pm

A genuine LOL moment.

[Tweet Link]

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Croydon 17 Aug 21 10.40pm
Originally posted by Matov A genuine LOL moment. [Tweet Link] I'm expecting Starmer and co. to be even more gut-renching than the tories.
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steeleye20

Croydon 17 Aug 21 10.40pm

Originally posted by Matov

A genuine LOL moment.

[Tweet Link]

I'm expecting Starmer and co. to be even more gut-renching than the tories.

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Stirlingsays 18 Aug 21 2.28am
The point it raises is so insane you can't help but smile. Attachment: bee.JPG (144.74Kb) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Aug 21 2.28am

The point it raises is so insane you can't help but smile.

Attachment: bee.JPG (144.74Kb)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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BlueJay UK 18 Aug 21 4.23am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan [Link] Not safe for work. Taliban are already dragging people out of their homes and shooting them in the street. Young girls are spared however taken away and handed over to the leadership for them to decide what to do with them. Not surprising unfortunately. The 'we've changed' veneer of these Taliban press conferences will soon wear thin.
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UK 18 Aug 21 4.23am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

[Link]

Not safe for work.

Not surprising unfortunately. The 'we've changed' veneer of these Taliban press conferences will soon wear thin.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Aug 21 7.18am
Originally posted by BlueJay Not surprising unfortunately. The 'we've changed' veneer of these Taliban press conferences will soon wear thin. The Taliban will have little authority at local level (I would have thought), in order to keep their ranks from settling old scores, looting and taking women. Whilst the Taliban were a coherent unit in their goal of removing western forces, no doubt there will be elements who have different interpretations of Islam, such that women will be abused in their idealised society. A bit like any political party, they fight together to get elected and then some MP's may have their own personal agenda, alongside the Party Line once in Government. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by BlueJay

Not surprising unfortunately. The 'we've changed' veneer of these Taliban press conferences will soon wear thin.

The Taliban will have little authority at local level (I would have thought), in order to keep their ranks from settling old scores, looting and taking women.

Whilst the Taliban were a coherent unit in their goal of removing western forces, no doubt there will be elements who have different interpretations of Islam, such that women will be abused in their idealised society.
A bit like any political party, they fight together to get elected and then some MP's may have their own personal agenda, alongside the Party Line once in Government.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Aug 21 7.27am
and now the media are bringing to our attention that the UK will be welcoming 20,000 Afghan refugees. IF, this is going to be the proposal,.... 1. What measures will be adopted to ensure no terrorist elements get this free trip to the UK ? 2. After Covid has plunged the UK into massive debt and the NHS to its knees, does the UK have the capacity to take an additional burden of such size ? 3. Will Welfare be available to Afghans, alongside those given to our troops, and others exposed to extreme conditions ? Will those suffering from PTSE be given such assistance as 'Care in the Community', which has previously left a significant number of ex-service people living on the UK streets ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Aug 2021 7.28am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 18 Aug 21 7.27am

and now the media are bringing to our attention that the UK will be welcoming 20,000 Afghan refugees.

IF, this is going to be the proposal,....

1. What measures will be adopted to ensure no terrorist elements get this free trip to the UK ?

2. After Covid has plunged the UK into massive debt and the NHS to its knees, does the UK have the capacity to take an additional burden of such size ?

3. Will Welfare be available to Afghans, alongside those given to our troops, and others exposed to extreme conditions ? Will those suffering from PTSE be given such assistance as 'Care in the Community', which has previously left a significant number of ex-service people living on the UK streets ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Aug 2021 7.28am)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Aug 21 7.52am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The point it raises is so insane you can't help but smile. You couldn't make it up, Trump is banned from Twitter but the Taliban aren't. No doubt some will defend that. Edited by Badger11 (18 Aug 2021 7.52am) One more point
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Beckenham 18 Aug 21 7.52am