This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 24 Oct 20 9.45pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Mapletree
The number of children admitted to hospital with malnutrition was almost 2,500 in the first six months of 2020, double the number over the same period last year
If you use the NHS/GOVT own guidelines regarding nutrition which is terrible by the way and is reason for why this country has mass problems with metabolic disease like diabetes t2. Everybody can feed their children (the ones that claim they can't for 2 weeks is complete BS I bet if you looked into every one of their lives they blow money on unnecessary items) the real questions should be are they feeding them with correct nutrition this is the real problem which comes down to education not just money.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Mapletree Croydon 24 Oct 20 10.58pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by grumpymort
If you use the NHS/GOVT own guidelines regarding nutrition which is terrible by the way and is reason for why this country has mass problems with metabolic disease like diabetes t2. Everybody can feed their children (the ones that claim they can't for 2 weeks is complete BS I bet if you looked into every one of their lives they blow money on unnecessary items) the real questions should be are they feeding them with correct nutrition this is the real problem which comes down to education not just money. Apparently everyone can’t afford to feed their children. Here is what a left wing newspaper has to say It doesn’t matter why children go hungry and are poorly fed, it matters that they are. I don’t understand the lack of outrage.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Mapletree Croydon 24 Oct 20 11.04pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by becky
Malnutrition doesn't necessarily mean that the children were starving - it could as easily be caused by being fed too much unhealthy junk. Which is another good reason to make sure they are given one healthy meal a day. In 1906 the British parliament passed the permissive Education (Provision of Meals) Act allowing Local Education Authorities (LEAs) to provide free meals to elementary schoolchildren, funded out of the local rates. Rate-payer funded feeding programmes enabled under-nourished schoolchildren to benefit from the nation’s compulsory elementary education. 358,306 elementary schoolchildren were provided with free meals in 1912/13, about 7% of the elementary school population aged 3-11. The point being poorly fed children don’t learn well. Another left leaning newspaper puts it well Edited by Mapletree (24 Oct 2020 11.08pm)
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
BlueJay UK 24 Oct 20 11.32pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
And you and Marcus Rashford think it's the governments fault. Nothing to do with unfit parents, who won't pass on the benefits to their children anyway. Not one caring parent would allow their child to become malnourished. These numbers you produce are very likely correct, but the chidrens parents are more likely to sell on the vouchers at half price so they can have a packet of fags or a drink. Or maybe drugs even...? The solution isn't to throw more money at it. The problem is far deeper than that. You seem to think every problem is a simple fix for the government if they spend more.
Realities extend beyond whose fault it is or 'maybe the parents will sell £15 vouchers to buy drugs'. Let's bring the conversation and likelihood back down to something remotely based in reality please. It's not kids fault if they have a bad parent, or as likely good parents who are struggling during these horrendous times and have lost their jobs due to government decisions. Where that happens is the idea of a voucher for hungry kids really that out there?
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Teddy Eagle 24 Oct 20 11.39pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Mapletree
Which is another good reason to make sure they are given one healthy meal a day. In 1906 the British parliament passed the permissive Education (Provision of Meals) Act allowing Local Education Authorities (LEAs) to provide free meals to elementary schoolchildren, funded out of the local rates. Rate-payer funded feeding programmes enabled under-nourished schoolchildren to benefit from the nation’s compulsory elementary education. 358,306 elementary schoolchildren were provided with free meals in 1912/13, about 7% of the elementary school population aged 3-11. The point being poorly fed children don’t learn well. Another left leaning newspaper puts it well Edited by Mapletree (24 Oct 2020 11.08pm) Interesting total. Considerably lower than the current claimants.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Mapletree Croydon 24 Oct 20 11.48pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Interesting total. Considerably lower than the current claimants. If people are gaming the system as you imply, fix the system. The underlying problem remains Recent figures suggest that amongst hospitalised children in the UK, 16% were severely stunted, 14% wasted and 20% at risk of severe malnutrition. Additionally, the National Child Measurement Programme determined that 11,317 children in the United Kingdom were underweight in 2010. The lasting effects of malnutrition on children include long term issues such as increased incidence of illness due to poor nutrition, and gastrointestinal infections, which compound and make it harder to fully absorb nutrients. As such, malnutrition combined with infection can undermine a child’s growth, and in the long term, can also undermine brain development, causing delays in motor and cognitive functions. For these children action needs to be taken. It matters not by whom and I am not arguing any other point than don’t ignore UK child hunger and malnutrition. Rashford has done an excellent job in pointing out a largely hidden scandal.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Teddy Eagle 24 Oct 20 11.49pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Mapletree
If people are gaming the system as you imply, fix the system. The underlying problem remains Recent figures suggest that amongst hospitalised children in the UK, 16% were severely stunted, 14% wasted and 20% at risk of severe malnutrition. Additionally, the National Child Measurement Programme determined that 11,317 children in the United Kingdom were underweight in 2010. The lasting effects of malnutrition on children include long term issues such as increased incidence of illness due to poor nutrition, and gastrointestinal infections, which compound and make it harder to fully absorb nutrients. As such, malnutrition combined with infection can undermine a child’s growth, and in the long term, can also undermine brain development, causing delays in motor and cognitive functions. For these children action needs to be taken. It matters not by whom and I am not arguing any other point than don’t ignore UK child hunger and malnutrition. Rashford has done an excellent job in pointing out a largely hidden scandal. Pull your head in. That’s your inference not my implication.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Mapletree Croydon 25 Oct 20 12.06am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Pull your head in. That’s your inference not my implication. Ah, what was your implication?
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Teddy Eagle 25 Oct 20 12.20am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Mapletree
Ah, what was your implication? What did I say? Interesting total. No implication or other connotation. Sometimes Sigmund a cigar is just a cigar.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 25 Oct 20 12.54am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Mapletree
If people are gaming the system as you imply, fix the system. The underlying problem remains Recent figures suggest that amongst hospitalised children in the UK, 16% were severely stunted, 14% wasted and 20% at risk of severe malnutrition. Additionally, the National Child Measurement Programme determined that 11,317 children in the United Kingdom were underweight in 2010. The lasting effects of malnutrition on children include long term issues such as increased incidence of illness due to poor nutrition, and gastrointestinal infections, which compound and make it harder to fully absorb nutrients. As such, malnutrition combined with infection can undermine a child’s growth, and in the long term, can also undermine brain development, causing delays in motor and cognitive functions. For these children action needs to be taken. It matters not by whom and I am not arguing any other point than don’t ignore UK child hunger and malnutrition. Rashford has done an excellent job in pointing out a largely hidden scandal.
Giving free meals will not solve this because the NHS/GOVT give terrible nutrition advise not just about children but adults and this is why we have so many problems with ill health. Anyone that has studied and understands about humans know we are not suppose to consume the processed plus wheat/grain food yet all you hear about is its a must have for health etc Other factors as well for some of what you listed the lack of exercise has an impact as well and structure a lot of families now allow their kids to stay up late so they get limited sleep then load up on high sugar products. Way more to this subject then people think
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
BlueJay UK 25 Oct 20 1.09am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by grumpymort
Giving free meals will not solve this because the NHS/GOVT give terrible nutrition advise not just about children but adults and this is why we have so many problems with ill health. Anyone that has studied and understands about humans know we are not suppose to consume the processed plus wheat/grain food yet all you hear about is its a must have for health etc Other factors as well for some of what you listed the lack of exercise has an impact as well and structure a lot of families now allow their kids to stay up late so they get limited sleep then load up on high sugar products. Way more to this subject then people think People and families are entitled to their own views on the best diet. All you can do in that regard is educate. You can also though, provide a few balanced square meals in the school holidays during a pandemic without the world spinning off its axis. Edited by BlueJay (25 Oct 2020 1.16am)
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 25 Oct 20 1.29am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by BlueJay
Realities extend beyond whose fault it is or 'maybe the parents will sell £15 vouchers to buy drugs'. Let's bring the conversation and likelihood back down to something remotely based in reality please. It's not kids fault if they have a bad parent, or as likely good parents who are struggling during these horrendous times and have lost their jobs due to government decisions. Where that happens is the idea of a voucher for hungry kids really that out there? Ok, how many malnourished adults?
Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Registration is now on our new message board
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.