This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
Stirlingsays 09 Feb 20 12.48pm | |
---|---|
When internationalists come out with these justifications for worsening the lives of huge numbers of people...causing white flight, creating bulakisation by house price and higher levels of distrust within society. It should always be countered with the truth. Other countries such as Japen...another island state.... hasn't taken this path and Japan isn't only richer than us but doesn't have this internal terrorism from imported populations, doesn't have higher levels of separation and distrust and and has higher GDP than us. The politics of these people are built upon lies and denial of the failures their idealism has made self evident to the majority who once lived with it...but have now fled from it....apparently everyone has a different excuse but did it during the same time period. Every single incident of increased rates of rape and murder that has happened is blood that is on their hands.....in an ideological sense. When you find out that these people aren't even living in the mess they advocated for.....yet are living in locations that are up to now mostly untouched.....it makes your blood boil. They should be paying the price for societal downgrade....not others.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Stirlingsays 09 Feb 20 12.57pm | |
---|---|
You have waffle and then you have statistics. According to the UN, just the population of Africa, by the year 2050, will have annual increases that exceed 42 million people per year and the total population will have doubled to 2.4 billion, according to the UN. This comes to 3.5 million more people per month, or 80 additional people per minute Internationalists on immigration are cancer.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Hrolf The Ganger 09 Feb 20 12.58pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course it's a gamble. Every step down an uncertain road is one. The question is which was the bigger gamble. Staying where we were and trying to make it better or plunging into the unknown and untested in the hope it might be better. The problem I always saw was the unrealistic idea that we could return to where we used to be whilst the world has moved on rather a long way since then. I half saw that programme too as it was on in the room whilst I was otherwise occupied so I did not pay full attention. I fully get the issue about the problems associated with the radicalisation of prisoners and how challenging this must be. Modern slavery seems to be a growing issue everywhere but I wonder if it is more that we have just become aware of it, or have redefined it, rather than it actually growing. It's a problem in many major cities and not just London. Immigration in 2020 is a fact of life. How it's managed is another matter but we all need to get used to it. It's not just a one way street either. I was an immigrant for a while until I returned to the UK. That's the world we now live in. It is not a fact of life, it is a policy. That policy has produced a pile of new unwanted problems that could have been avoided and which will be dwarfed by the problems in the future. Capitalism is meant to serve the people and national boundaries are there to protect those within them. Our societies culture and security are being totally undermined at a rapid rate. Law and order is already breaking down and quite soon even the very basic requirements of modern life will be under threat from overpopulation. You talk to me about our childrens future and yet you sit by passively and say that it is just 'a fact of life'. You should run for Mayor of London. The current one thinks like that too.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
cryrst The garden of England 09 Feb 20 1.39pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You also fail to consider that both my parents, my wife's parents and those of one of my sons in law have all died. Families are a continuum, We have only replaced ours. It's countries with high birth rates combined with the increases in life expectancy that are causing the trend. A trend that is expected to fallen out by 2100. We just need to get there safely. Oh I wouldn't worry about that.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Feb 20 4.17pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Immigration in 2020 is a fact of life. That's the world we now live in. you sound like a bloke with lung cancer telling me that its just a fact of life, get over it. While buying another packet of fags. in 470 AD, the Western Roman empire finally imploded under the weight of uncontrolled immigration. Immigration of people with different languages, cultures, religions and values. The arrival of peoples with no vested interest in maintaining the status quo...and every interest in overturning it. The newcomers ran parallel justice systems, currencies, religions, armies, courts, labour-markets, loyalties to local warlords. A bit like Sharia courts and sharia banking today. the Goths, the Visigoths, the Huns, Germanic tribesmen, Vandals, etc etc all got excluded from the Roman legal system, the army, the Latin language, the financial system. Exclusions, excluded and out. Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Feb 2020 4.39pm)
Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Stirlingsays 09 Feb 20 4.19pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
you sound like a bloke with lung cancer telling me that its just a fact of life, get over it. While buying another packet of fags. in 470 AD, the Western Roman empire finally imploded under the weight of uncontrolled immigration. Immigration of people with different languages, cultures, religions and values. The arrival of peoples with no vested interest in maintaining the status quo...and every interest in overturning it. the Goths, the Visigoths, the Huns, Germanic tribesmen, Vandals, etc etc all got excluded from the legal system, the army, the Latin language, the financial system. Exclusions, excluded and out. Good post.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Feb 20 9.06pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is not a fact of life, it is a policy. That policy has produced a pile of new unwanted problems that could have been avoided and which will be dwarfed by the problems in the future. Capitalism is meant to serve the people and national boundaries are there to protect those within them. Our societies culture and security are being totally undermined at a rapid rate. Law and order is already breaking down and quite soon even the very basic requirements of modern life will be under threat from overpopulation. You talk to me about our childrens future and yet you sit by passively and say that it is just 'a fact of life'. You should run for Mayor of London. The current one thinks like that too. There is no policy which could, or should, stop immigration. You can only manage it to the best of your ability but those determined to enter will find a way and unless our economy contracts, or our own birth rate increases, we will need more people anyway. I realise that technology will play a big future role but some jobs will be almost impossible to be done by robots. Unless we help those economies, from which people want to migrate to us, to grow and prosper themselves there are always going to be those who try to come. I see that Japan has once again been cited as an example of how things can be different, despite those claims being debunked before. The situations in the UK and Japan are not directly comparable. Japan does not have the same legacy of Empire that we do. They don't speak English. Japan is isolated, whilst we are close to the rest of Europe. Japan has a traditional cultural resistance to immigration. We have always welcomed immigrants. Nevertheless, Japan faces many of the same problems of an aging population that we do and, as a consequence, are now actively, if very quietly, seeking to increase immigration. Read this:- It seems as though the tide has turned in Japan, albeit slowly and out of sight so as not to upset the deep seated hostility of the people. Rather than us imitating them I suspect they will soon be going some way towards imitating us!
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Feb 20 9.17pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There is no policy which could, or should, stop immigration. You can only manage it to the best of your ability but those determined to enter will find a way and unless our economy contracts, or our own birth rate increases, we will need more people anyway. I realise that technology will play a big future role but some jobs will be almost impossible to be done by robots. Unless we help those economies, from which people want to migrate to us, to grow and prosper themselves there are always going to be those who try to come. I see that Japan has once again been cited as an example of how things can be different, despite those claims being debunked before. The situations in the UK and Japan are not directly comparable. Japan does not have the same legacy of Empire that we do. They don't speak English. Japan is isolated, whilst we are close to the rest of Europe. Japan has a traditional cultural resistance to immigration. We have always welcomed immigrants. Nevertheless, Japan faces many of the same problems of an aging population that we do and, as a consequence, are now actively, if very quietly, seeking to increase immigration. Read this:- It seems as though the tide has turned in Japan, albeit slowly and out of sight so as not to upset the deep seated hostility of the people. Rather than us imitating them I suspect they will soon be going some way towards imitating us! Japan. UK. Lefties encourage locals to all have abortions and then to import people to replace the gaps in the demographics. It is deliberate. Demographic suicide certainly in japan. The Japanese race are in crisis by not having babies. Hungary and Poland are a beacon of sense in a world gone mad. Their nation and culture is strong and confident. You kill the nuclear family and the rest is a train wreck.
Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Teddy Eagle 09 Feb 20 9.21pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There is no policy which could, or should, stop immigration. You can only manage it to the best of your ability but those determined to enter will find a way and unless our economy contracts, or our own birth rate increases, we will need more people anyway. I realise that technology will play a big future role but some jobs will be almost impossible to be done by robots. Unless we help those economies, from which people want to migrate to us, to grow and prosper themselves there are always going to be those who try to come. I see that Japan has once again been cited as an example of how things can be different, despite those claims being debunked before. The situations in the UK and Japan are not directly comparable. Japan does not have the same legacy of Empire that we do. They don't speak English. Japan is isolated, whilst we are close to the rest of Europe. Japan has a traditional cultural resistance to immigration. We have always welcomed immigrants. Nevertheless, Japan faces many of the same problems of an aging population that we do and, as a consequence, are now actively, if very quietly, seeking to increase immigration. Read this:- It seems as though the tide has turned in Japan, albeit slowly and out of sight so as not to upset the deep seated hostility of the people. Rather than us imitating them I suspect they will soon be going some way towards imitating us! But why wouldn’t they want to take advantage of the opportunities on offer in EU countries?
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Feb 20 11.14pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But why wouldn’t they want to take advantage of the opportunities on offer in EU countries? Who do you mean? If it's those who target the UK I think there is one obvious answer and several less so. The simple fact is that more people learn some English than any other European language, so expect to find it easier to manage here. Alongside that is the desire of some to use us as a stepping stone to the ultimate prize, the USA. Improve the English here, gain some qualifications and move on. It might seem unrealistic to us but not to them. Then there are our historical connections to other Commonwealth countries, in particular those in the Indian sub continent, and the family members who have already come here.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Teddy Eagle 09 Feb 20 11.19pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who do you mean? If it's those who target the UK I think there is one obvious answer and several less so. The simple fact is that more people learn some English than any other European language, so expect to find it easier to manage here. Alongside that is the desire of some to use us as a stepping stone to the ultimate prize, the USA. Improve the English here, gain some qualifications and move on. It might seem unrealistic to us but not to them. Then there are our historical connections to other Commonwealth countries, in particular those in the Indian sub continent, and the family members who have already come here. I mean that as we’ve been assured we’re on the road to oblivion by leaving the EU then surely they’d be better off there.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Feb 20 11.53pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I mean that as we’ve been assured we’re on the road to oblivion by leaving the EU then surely they’d be better off there. Some of those with much needed skills have already packed their bags. My dental practice was 100% staffed by 6 Eastern Europeans dentists at the beginning of 2019. 3 have left and gone elsewhere in Europe. No replacements have been found. Check ups are now every 2 years, with only emergences in between. I have no hard evidence on whether this is a trend found elsewhere,, and in other sectors but empirical information seems to suggest it might be.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Registration is now on our new message board
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.