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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 15 Dec 19 9.46pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
According to 'More United' they work with MPs from a range of parties. Website goes on to state that they support 62 MPs - having perused through the list I note that only TWO are Conservative. For very good reasons. I think there were more but they were the ones who lost the whip because of their determination to vote like an MP and not like a sheep.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Dec 19 10.01pm |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Why the blame game? This was an election The commons will remain the worse kind of unruly classroom and very little will really change. No one is to blame. And before anyone ascribes a view as to my politics. I don't like Johnson he is a self promoting liar. Can t stand Corbyn - a 1970's student who never grew up. Thought Lib Dem policy on revocation was wrong. So put me down as dissolusioed. I completely agree with your views on Johnson and Corbyn. I don't though on how people decided to cast their vote as I think this was a unique election when the usual rules did not apply. Nor do I agree that nothing will change. The Tories have such a large majority and have established that they expect their MPs to either follow the whip or be thrown out that I think everything has changed. We now have a bunch of sheep on the Tory benches with the policy being made behind the scenes by who knows whom. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Dec 2019 10.02pm)
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Teddy Eagle  15 Dec 19 10.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I completely agree with your views on Johnson and Corbyn. I don't though on how people decided to cast their vote as I think this was a unique election when the usual rules did not apply. Nor do I agree that nothing will change. The Tories have such a large majority and have established that they expect their MPs to either follow the whip or be thrown out that I think everything has changed. We now have a bunch of sheep on the Tory benches with the policy being made behind the scenes by who knows whom. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Dec 2019 10.02pm) So who, in your view, should people have voted for?
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| dreamwaverider London 15 Dec 19 10.12pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Exactly I have not celebrated a Tory win nor would I have gone ape over a Corbyn win. Elections are not about right or wrong they are about voters picking the party they think best fits their needs. It's not a football match. One win. Five years control. Nice very nice.
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cryrst  The garden of England 15 Dec 19 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
For very good reasons. I think there were more but they were the ones who lost the whip because of their determination to vote like an MP and not like a sheep. That still leaves the tories as the lesser amount.
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| Invalid user 2019 15 Dec 19 10.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I completely agree with your views on Johnson and Corbyn. I don't though on how people decided to cast their vote as I think this was a unique election when the usual rules did not apply. Nor do I agree that nothing will change. The Tories have such a large majority and have established that they expect their MPs to either follow the whip or be thrown out that I think everything has changed. We now have a bunch of sheep on the Tory benches with the policy being made behind the scenes by who knows whom. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Dec 2019 10.02pm) There were certainly enough factors at play that it was a one off. In a way I quite like that about it though, as it will be clear in 5 years time whether this decision was wise of foolish and people will vote based on that. It will be clear cut and an election not coloured by views on Brexit. If we'd had enough hung parliament I just don't see how it would've brought anything to any kind of conclusion.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Dec 19 10.56pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So who, in your view, should people have voted for? That's not for me or anyone else to say. It all depends on what you believe to be in the country's best interests. In the circumstances of this election nothing was going to stop the Tories once Labour failed to dump Corbyn and missed the opportunity to install a temporary PM after Johnson lost his majority. Corbyn and his support base were stupid enough to think they could win and did not act in the national interest. They won't be forgiven for that.
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| Invalid user 2019 15 Dec 19 11.00pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's not for me or anyone else to say. It all depends on what you believe to be in the country's best interests. In the circumstances of this election nothing was going to stop the Tories once Labour failed to dump Corbyn and missed the opportunity to install a temporary PM after Johnson lost his majority. Corbyn and his support base were stupid enough to think they could win and did not act in the national interest. They won't be forgiven for that. Destined to happen though really, as within a loss of this magnitude, I could see Corbyn, Momentum and co hanging on in there for dear life.
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| Teddy Eagle 15 Dec 19 11.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's not for me or anyone else to say. It all depends on what you believe to be in the country's best interests. In the circumstances of this election nothing was going to stop the Tories once Labour failed to dump Corbyn and missed the opportunity to install a temporary PM after Johnson lost his majority. Corbyn and his support base were stupid enough to think they could win and did not act in the national interest. They won't be forgiven for that. That’s my point. Corbyn was unelectable so Johnson was pretty much guaranteed a majority. Doesn’t matter in any case because as you’ve told us once the vote is cast our involvement is zero. We can trust our MPs to do what they think best.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Dec 19 11.11pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
That still leaves the tories as the lesser amount. The purpose of More United is to support MPs who seek cross party co-operation and compromise. You will have to wonder why more Tory MPs don't fit that category. I don't defend Corbyn for dumping MPs but they aren't now in power with an 80 seat majority. The suggestion was nothing will change when everything is likely to.
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| Stirlingsays 15 Dec 19 11.28pm |
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The guy who promoted elitism and said that what Parliament wants is what we should accept is now complaining that the party he doesn't like has a majority and that MPs will vote like 'sheep'. Strange how the support for elitism suddenly changes when the 'elities' don't agree with you. It also completely ignores the fact that Johnson's team selected the new intake and that the vast majority of Tory MPs agree with the leave stance and Johnson's policies anyway.....having voted him in as leader. Wiggle, wiggle, waffle. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Dec 2019 11.29pm)
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| Stirlingsays 15 Dec 19 11.32pm |
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Bore united by the sounds of it. It probably has more t1ts than members and might be more productive knitting Johnson a winter jumper.
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