It's complex.

It's certainly true that far more from this community went to fight for IS than joined the British army over the same period.

However, most Muslims are like most people to the extent that they just aren't that political or interested in life outside their regular routines.

So when something extreme happens from within their own community they don't feel ownership over it because...well while they may share some opinions...for example the Israeli/Palestine conflict or attitudes to homosexuals it just isn't to an extreme level......Most of them just aren't going to agree with dropping homosexuals off rooftops.....they might object to them teaching in the classroom or in their family but that's about it...acid attacks, honour killings it all happens but obviously it's not the majority......So it's also a small percent who are deeply into the need for violent radical action for Islam....though that's all you need for the authorities to number it in the tens of thousands.

Their attitudes are more a cultural reflection of their community. What we feel about it is less important to them than what their imman is going to say for example.

Now my attitude to the growth of Islam and its compatibility within a secular western state aside.....most Muslims are just going about the day to day.....So while we have had Muslims come out and condemn attacks....to be honest I'd agree with the view that they aren't required to.

But like I say....this is different to my attitude towards the wisdom of the growth of the community but as we all recognise violence is unacceptable.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Mar 2019 9.34pm)

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I agree. It's as much that I was concerned that it was something I would not be able to unsee. What got me was that I'm told the first person he saw, or one of the first greeted him with 'Hello brother' before being shot to death. Such a disturbing contrast. Of course it's the same with any of these heartless attacks though, like enjoying a fun concert with your family only to have a fundamentalist nutjob blow you up.

All extremists think they're so brave. Off to paradise, or with this coward he apparently talked of 'being in a firefight' during the video. It's not much of a firefight if nobody else is armed.

I don't doubt it, I heard he had it in mind for a couple of years. Religious radicals, racial radicals. Same sh!t, different coward. It's rumination turned annihilation once the virus sets in.

I think it dangerous to set policy based on the actions of 1 lone individual. You wouldn't create a law and order policy based on the actions of Jack the Ripper.

That said action needs to be taken against these social media companies lots of nasty stuff out there and not just this, they don't seem that bothered in taking it down. My benchmark is if the papers printed this stuff would they be fined / sued? This should also apply to social media they claim they are not publishers I beg to differ.

As for action against the far right of course the police should investigate in NZ and here if there is evidence that points in that direction. However some people are either mentally ill or just plain evil and will always find an excuse to commit their crimes.

Action against the far right most be proportionate if someone advocates violence then they should be punished. However if you shut down the debate because you don't like their opinions you just make martyrs and eventually that will lead to violence.

One more point

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"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

An attack in East London and Oldham

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