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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Feb 19 2.43pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle It does prove the point that I made in post number two that it isn't HOL that is obsessed by racism but just one or two people on HOL I don't think anyone on here is obsessed with 'racism'. What racism actually occurs to be obsessed with? I'd say it's a rejection of the existing culture of identity politics and the restrictions on our freedoms evoked to squash public objections to mass immigration, multiculturalism and all the negatives we now experience. 'Race' has nothing to do with it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Feb 2019 2.44pm)
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It does prove the point that I made in post number two that it isn't HOL that is obsessed by racism but just one or two people on HOL

I don't think anyone on here is obsessed with 'racism'.

What racism actually occurs to be obsessed with?

I'd say it's a rejection of the existing culture of identity politics and the restrictions on our freedoms evoked to squash public objections to mass immigration, multiculturalism and all the negatives we now experience.

'Race' has nothing to do with it.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Feb 19 11.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So irrespective of any argument, you just want to be 'right'. What a shock on the internet. You should listen to your wife. Whatever you think you are, you are actually a naive liberal who desperately needs to uphold ideology over reality. There is nothing hardline about me old chap. I represent what many people think but are afraid to say. Now let's draw a line under this before everyone else is bored to silly and Pussay Patrol has a stroke. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Fe0b 2019 2.28pm) Well there you go! I would have confidently predicted that despite you being "out of here" that you would not be able to resist responding. I am sure that you sincerely believe that you haven't got a racist bone in your body. Many people don't and continue to deny it even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. My wife has seen much more than me, and I suspect you too, and her attitude is clouded by that because the circumstances are entirely different. We can discuss this objectively and I do listen to her, just as she does to me. The lessons of what not to do, and how thoughtless responses can make problems worse are partly as a consequence of those conversations. You are in denial. You won't realise it, or accept it, let alone admit it, but you are. Very few people describe themselves as "hardliners". Everyone believes they are in the middle but whether you are, or not, doesn't depend on you. It depends on the opinion of others. - I suspect that you agree with the sentiments of those in the "ERG" led by Rees-Mogg and/or Farage. That you aren't alone is obvious but that this is a hardline approach is as equally obvious. I am in total agreement with Anna Soubry, who is one of the very few MPs talking common sense at the moment, that the ERG members need to be thrown out of the Tory Party asap so that it can get back to being a force for good. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Feb 19 11.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So irrespective of any argument, you just want to be 'right'. What a shock on the internet.

You should listen to your wife. Whatever you think you are, you are actually a naive liberal who desperately needs to uphold ideology over reality.

There is nothing hardline about me old chap. I represent what many people think but are afraid to say.

Now let's draw a line under this before everyone else is bored to silly and Pussay Patrol has a stroke.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Fe0b 2019 2.28pm)

Well there you go! I would have confidently predicted that despite you being "out of here" that you would not be able to resist responding.

I am sure that you sincerely believe that you haven't got a racist bone in your body. Many people don't and continue to deny it even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

My wife has seen much more than me, and I suspect you too, and her attitude is clouded by that because the circumstances are entirely different. We can discuss this objectively and I do listen to her, just as she does to me. The lessons of what not to do, and how thoughtless responses can make problems worse are partly as a consequence of those conversations.

You are in denial. You won't realise it, or accept it, let alone admit it, but you are. Very few people describe themselves as "hardliners". Everyone believes they are in the middle but whether you are, or not, doesn't depend on you. It depends on the opinion of others. -

I suspect that you agree with the sentiments of those in the "ERG" led by Rees-Mogg and/or Farage. That you aren't alone is obvious but that this is a hardline approach is as equally obvious.

I am in total agreement with Anna Soubry, who is one of the very few MPs talking common sense at the moment, that the ERG members need to be thrown out of the Tory Party asap so that it can get back to being a force for good.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 15 Feb 19 11.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I suspect that you agree with the sentiments of those in the "ERG" led by Rees-Mogg and/or Farage. That you aren't alone is obvious but that this is a hardline approach is as equally obvious. I am in total agreement with Anna Soubry, who is one of the very few MPs talking common sense at the moment, that the ERG members need to be thrown out of the Tory Party asap so that it can get back to being a force for good. Such a traditional Tory voter. Who is completely and utterly out of touch with the actual Tory members....who are far more leavers than the actual MPs. In truth you and her would destroy the party. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2019 11.16pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Feb 19 11.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suspect that you agree with the sentiments of those in the "ERG" led by Rees-Mogg and/or Farage. That you aren't alone is obvious but that this is a hardline approach is as equally obvious.

Such a traditional Tory voter.

Who is completely and utterly out of touch with the actual Tory members....who are far more leavers than the actual MPs.

In truth you and her would destroy the party.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2019 11.16pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 16 Feb 19 12.15am
7 in 10 Tory seats backed Leave. Dominic Grieve is facing a no confidence motion at the annual meeting of Beaconsfield Conservatives on Friday March 29. Heidi Allen is also facing the deselection process and Soubry herself....whose seat also backed leave....she is on borrowed time. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Feb 19 12.15am

7 in 10 Tory seats backed Leave.

Dominic Grieve is facing a no confidence motion at the annual meeting of Beaconsfield Conservatives on Friday March 29.

Heidi Allen is also facing the deselection process and Soubry herself....whose seat also backed leave....she is on borrowed time.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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W12 16 Feb 19 8.16am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 7 in 10 Tory seats backed Leave. Dominic Grieve is facing a no confidence motion at the annual meeting of Beaconsfield Conservatives on Friday March 29. Heidi Allen is also facing the deselection process and Soubry herself....whose seat also backed leave....she is on borrowed time. Also calling Rees-Mogg and Farage hard line just because you don’t agree with them is ridiculous. It’s just another way of calling them “far right”.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

7 in 10 Tory seats backed Leave.

Dominic Grieve is facing a no confidence motion at the annual meeting of Beaconsfield Conservatives on Friday March 29.

Heidi Allen is also facing the deselection process and Soubry herself....whose seat also backed leave....she is on borrowed time.

Also calling Rees-Mogg and Farage hard line just because you don’t agree with them is ridiculous. It’s just another way of calling them “far right”.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 16 Feb 19 8.34am
Originally posted by laddo Post brexit we’ve had anti-immigration rants, pro-Tommy Robinson posts, a suggestion that all Muslims are potential sexual predators, anger at there being platforms for black people to celebrate cultures largely forgotten due to slave-trade and now people suggesting something as innocent as speaking in ‘black accents’ should exclude you from the job market. Does HOL have an obsession with racism? When do you think it started to get so right-wing, bitter and scared of other cultures? I think brexit has given people licence to be far more vocal about their true feelings and ignorence. HOL always used to tackle delicate issues, with a real sense of debate. Now though, a number of posts come back to the same old tosh...an utter fear of foreigners or people with different skin shades or religions. Sad times. so black people can't be racist ? and how do you allocate ethnicity to usernames ? So 'blackeagle' is acceptable,...and 'white-eagle' racist ? can of worms I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by laddo

Post brexit we’ve had anti-immigration rants, pro-Tommy Robinson posts, a suggestion that all Muslims are potential sexual predators, anger at there being platforms for black people to celebrate cultures largely forgotten due to slave-trade and now people suggesting something as innocent as speaking in ‘black accents’ should exclude you from the job market.

Does HOL have an obsession with racism? When do you think it started to get so right-wing, bitter and scared of other cultures? I think brexit has given people licence to be far more vocal about their true feelings and ignorence. HOL always used to tackle delicate issues, with a real sense of debate. Now though, a number of posts come back to the same old tosh...an utter fear of foreigners or people with different skin shades or religions. Sad times.

so black people can't be racist ? and how do you allocate ethnicity to usernames ?
So 'blackeagle' is acceptable,...and 'white-eagle' racist ?

can of worms

I disengage, I turn the page.

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ChuFukka 16 Feb 19 9.00am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Well there you go! I would have confidently predicted that despite you being "out of here" that you would not be able to resist responding. I am sure that you sincerely believe that you haven't got a racist bone in your body. Many people don't and continue to deny it even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. My wife has seen much more than me, and I suspect you too, and her attitude is clouded by that because the circumstances are entirely different. We can discuss this objectively and I do listen to her, just as she does to me. The lessons of what not to do, and how thoughtless responses can make problems worse are partly as a consequence of those conversations. You are in denial. You won't realise it, or accept it, let alone admit it, but you are. Very few people describe themselves as "hardliners". Everyone believes they are in the middle but whether you are, or not, doesn't depend on you. It depends on the opinion of others. - I suspect that you agree with the sentiments of those in the "ERG" led by Rees-Mogg and/or Farage. That you aren't alone is obvious but that this is a hardline approach is as equally obvious. I am in total agreement with Anna Soubry, who is one of the very few MPs talking common sense at the moment, that the ERG members need to be thrown out of the Tory Party asap so that it can get back to being a force for good. What an absolutely excellent post. Don’t hold your breath for the kind of self-awareness required to acknowledge it though...
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16 Feb 19 9.00am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Well there you go! I would have confidently predicted that despite you being "out of here" that you would not be able to resist responding.

I am sure that you sincerely believe that you haven't got a racist bone in your body. Many people don't and continue to deny it even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I suspect that you agree with the sentiments of those in the "ERG" led by Rees-Mogg and/or Farage. That you aren't alone is obvious but that this is a hardline approach is as equally obvious.

What an absolutely excellent post. Don’t hold your breath for the kind of self-awareness required to acknowledge it though...

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ChrisGC Wantage 16 Feb 19 9.04am
Originally posted by ChuFukka I agree with your opinion. Don’t hold your breath for the kind of ignorance and rejection of facts required for others to acknowledge it though... Fixed it for you in the interest of accuracy.
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Wantage 16 Feb 19 9.04am

Originally posted by ChuFukka

I agree with your opinion. Don’t hold your breath for the kind of ignorance and rejection of facts required for others to acknowledge it though...

Fixed it for you in the interest of accuracy.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 19 9.08am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Such a traditional Tory voter. Who is completely and utterly out of touch with the actual Tory members....who are far more leavers than the actual MPs. In truth you and her would destroy the party. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2019 11.16pm) As Anna Soubry has pointed out many of the local constituency committees have quietly been hi-jacked by right-wing activists who would be more at home in UKIP, or worse. Such people are not representative of traditional Tory voters. Apathy and stealth has resulted in as big a crisis in the Tory Party as Momentum has caused in Labour. As a consequence our two traditional parties are now controlled by hardline extreme wings and the great bulk of the middle ground is not represented by them. Both of the major parties deserve to be destroyed by becoming so detached from reality and thinking they can govern in this way for long. Propping up redundant institutions is to seek to deny the lessons of evolution. That a new party is needed has never been more obvious but it cannot be done quickly enough to solve the urgent problem of Brexit. So the MPs themselves need to put personal ambition aside and accept the risk of deselection whilst they wrestle control away from those whose foolishness would destroy the Union. We can form the new party from the allegiances forged in that process. We now need a white knight or two with the money to provide the seed funding. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 16 Feb 19 9.08am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Such a traditional Tory voter.

Who is completely and utterly out of touch with the actual Tory members....who are far more leavers than the actual MPs.

In truth you and her would destroy the party.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2019 11.16pm)

As Anna Soubry has pointed out many of the local constituency committees have quietly been hi-jacked by right-wing activists who would be more at home in UKIP, or worse. Such people are not representative of traditional Tory voters. Apathy and stealth has resulted in as big a crisis in the Tory Party as Momentum has caused in Labour.

As a consequence our two traditional parties are now controlled by hardline extreme wings and the great bulk of the middle ground is not represented by them. Both of the major parties deserve to be destroyed by becoming so detached from reality and thinking they can govern in this way for long. Propping up redundant institutions is to seek to deny the lessons of evolution.

That a new party is needed has never been more obvious but it cannot be done quickly enough to solve the urgent problem of Brexit. So the MPs themselves need to put personal ambition aside and accept the risk of deselection whilst they wrestle control away from those whose foolishness would destroy the Union.

We can form the new party from the allegiances forged in that process. We now need a white knight or two with the money to provide the seed funding.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Midlands Eagle 16 Feb 19 9.21am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am in total agreement with Anna Soubry, who is one of the very few MPs talking common sense at the moment, that the ERG members need to be thrown out of the Tory Party asap so that it can get back to being a force for good. Was it the ERG members who tried to chuck out the Windrush generation? I'm sure that I could come up with a dozen more "Was it the ERG members who tried to......." if I had the time. Many years ago I used to work for a Managing Director who had a similar approach to Ms Soubry in that there were only two opinions on any subject - his and wrong ones
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Was it the ERG members who tried to chuck out the Windrush generation?

I'm sure that I could come up with a dozen more "Was it the ERG members who tried to......." if I had the time.

Many years ago I used to work for a Managing Director who had a similar approach to Ms Soubry in that there were only two opinions on any subject - his and wrong ones

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ChuFukka 16 Feb 19 9.26am
Originally posted by ChrisGC Fixed it for you in the interest of accuracy. Point out exactly what was wrong in his original post then. Are you denying that the ERG are hardline/extreme? Because that isn’t a remotely controversial opinion in political science circles (you know, the out-of-touch elites who bother to actually study this stuff rather than just excreting whatever the Express has fed them that week)…
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16 Feb 19 9.26am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Fixed it for you in the interest of accuracy.

Point out exactly what was wrong in his original post then.

Are you denying that the ERG are hardline/extreme? Because that isn’t a remotely controversial opinion in political science circles (you know, the out-of-touch elites who bother to actually study this stuff rather than just excreting whatever the Express has fed them that week)…

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PalazioVecchio south pole 16 Feb 19 9.36am
not just a UK phenomenon. The Left and the Right seem to be polarising and squaring off for a fight across most of the Western World. the Left believe in equality, feminism, multiculturalism and open borders. the Right believe in social stratification, meritocracy and nationalism. i got no problem to identify with the latter group. And if lefties do not like it, let them go and live in the Third world where conservatives will have zero tolerance of their liberal huggy principles. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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not just a UK phenomenon.

The Left and the Right seem to be polarising and squaring off for a fight across most of the Western World.

the Left believe in equality, feminism, multiculturalism and open borders.

the Right believe in social stratification, meritocracy and nationalism.

i got no problem to identify with the latter group. And if lefties do not like it, let them go and live in the Third world where conservatives will have zero tolerance of their liberal huggy principles.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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