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W12 06 Jun 19 1.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed. It's one thing to have a specific policy e.g. all new cars and buses should be electric. This policy is to too vague. It's fine for a party to have it as an aspiration but legislation should be specific and targetted. Otherwise we end up with another Foreign Aid solution where you have to spend the money rather than addressing the issue. This was really the last issue I woke up to since I changed from "a bit of a lefty" a year or so ago. Climate panic is just another angle of attack to institute socialism as (1) Normal people (i.e. people who would not normally vote green) will be panicked into voting green i.e. far left watermelons (2) This provides a justification for massively increasing taxation for groups the government don't like and redistribute wealth and (3) A reason to introducing authoritarianism to crack down on "climate deniers" (nazi's). The evidence for a climate disaster just does not exist and the science around this is driven by politics and cronyism. If you think climate change is the biggest issue we facing then you are simply just not paying attention.
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Lyons550 Shirley 06 Jun 19 1.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Finally, some sense from Phillip Hammond. These lofty green targets sound fantastic – until it f***s up the economy and makes everyone poorer. 'Emissions target could cost UK £1tn, warns Hammond' [Link] How about we invest in developing these and other technologies and then the 'cost' would be outweighed by the 'income' of selling it on and the rise in jobs?
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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Jun 19 1.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
How about we invest in developing these and other technologies and then the 'cost' would be outweighed by the 'income' of selling it on and the rise in jobs? Agreed. I think the market will take care of a lot of the issues with a little nudge from government. Pushing hard on air quality especially in London will also help the climate change lobby. The added benefit is that pollution can be measured whereas climate change still has it's detractors.
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Jun 19 4.20pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
This was really the last issue I woke up to since I changed from "a bit of a lefty" a year or so ago. Climate panic is just another angle of attack to institute socialism as (1) Normal people (i.e. people who would not normally vote green) will be panicked into voting green i.e. far left watermelons (2) This provides a justification for massively increasing taxation for groups the government don't like and redistribute wealth and (3) A reason to introducing authoritarianism to crack down on "climate deniers" (nazi's). The evidence for a climate disaster just does not exist and the science around this is driven by politics and cronyism. If you think climate change is the biggest issue we facing then you are simply just not paying attention. Spot on. The climate change hysteria is driven with a socialist agenda so take down capitalism and put more control to the government. 'Climate change denier' is the new 'racist'.
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Jan 20 7.21pm | |
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It appears the predictions by climate scientists are based on the wrong information about coal use.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Jan 20 7.56pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
It appears the predictions by climate scientists are based on the wrong information about coal use. This one?
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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Jan 20 8.02pm | |
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It was pointed out that since the 1980's the UN and others have been predicting a global disaster within the next 10 years and then re-predicting it again and again. I am not a climate change denier but neither am I a follower of Greta who thinks, guess what? the planet will be devastated within the next 10 years.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Jan 20 8.09pm | |
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jan 20 8.09pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
It appears the predictions by climate scientists are based on the wrong information about coal use. No-one wants incorrect information to pollute the thinking on this vital issue. It's important we deal in facts, and credible probabilities, and not in wild speculation designed to grab headlines. Nevertheless, we must also not allow the inevitable refinements of the data bases to undermine the drive to acknowledge the problems and for us to face up to the need to make significant changes to the way we live. We know climate change is happening and that man's activity has been responsible for much of it. Exactly what parts of that activity has contributed more, or less, of the effect is only important in knowing what counter actions are needed. So whilst you were never going to be dead in 10 years as a result of climate change, I doubt whether this "revised information" you claim is going to make any difference. As I cannot though find anything on this can you please identify the source?
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Jan 20 9.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No-one wants incorrect information to pollute the thinking on this vital issue. It's important we deal in facts, and credible probabilities, and not in wild speculation designed to grab headlines. Nevertheless, we must also not allow the inevitable refinements of the data bases to undermine the drive to acknowledge the problems and for us to face up to the need to make significant changes to the way we live. We know climate change is happening and that man's activity has been responsible for much of it. Exactly what parts of that activity has contributed more, or less, of the effect is only important in knowing what counter actions are needed. So whilst you were never going to be dead in 10 years as a result of climate change, I doubt whether this "revised information" you claim is going to make any difference. As I cannot though find anything on this can you please identify the source? On The bbc and teddy has kindly posted it above (thanks T) so as you say no bias only facts. One 'fact' not answered by anyone anywhere that I can find is your claim that much of climate change is caused by man.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jan 20 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
On The bbc and teddy has kindly posted it above (thanks T) so as you say no bias only facts. One 'fact' not answered by anyone anywhere that I can find is your claim that much of climate change is caused by man.
There is heaps of data available that suggest that man's contribution is 100%! This one says it's above 100% as the natural variation has been towards a cooling, thus mitigating some of man's impact:- Don't like that one, or suspect it might be "biased". Do you trust NASA? If so look at this:-
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serial thriller The Promised Land 29 Jan 20 10.43pm | |
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Think he means this article about how scientists have discovered that a giant glacier is melting faster than anticipated because of warming seas, and will trigger many major cities to go underwater. Good old coal!
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