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chateauferret 23 Nov 17 10.53am
Originally posted by Willo If VAR had been in operation on Saturday then the referee could have reviewed the incident and one would imagine there would have been a different outcome with the penalty not awarded and the player booked.Whether of course this should be a 'Red' or 'Yellow' is debateable with other factors bring taken into consideration and would need a 'Law' change. That said, VAR is not a panacea, with subjectivity perhaps leading to more controversy.The technology is available but how it is used is open to debate with the devil being very much in the detail. The use of VAR would need to be carefully designed oc course but FFS it would be hard to make the quality of decision-making any worse than it is now. ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

23 Nov 17 10.53am

Originally posted by Willo

If VAR had been in operation on Saturday then the referee could have reviewed the incident and one would imagine there would have been a different outcome with the penalty not awarded and the player booked.Whether of course this should be a 'Red' or 'Yellow' is debateable with other factors bring taken into consideration and would need a 'Law' change.

That said, VAR is not a panacea, with subjectivity perhaps leading to more controversy.The technology is available but how it is used is open to debate with the devil being very much in the detail.

The use of VAR would need to be carefully designed oc course but FFS it would be hard to make the quality of decision-making any worse than it is now.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Nov 17 11.02am
Originally posted by babylonjohn You can't "adjust results accordingly". There is a whole world of gambling /the pools / winning / losing / drawing etc that revolves around the final score. Rightly or wrongly the result at the end of the game will always stand. Quite correct ^^^^ We have CCTV/video play-back technology, and this should be used. at the moment we is being @r$e-fvcked by the current system, to the benefit of our rivals. Cheats should be put in stocks outside selhurst because CHEATS (and I include Snodgrass) should be fcked right off I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by babylonjohn

You can't "adjust results accordingly". There is a whole world of gambling /the pools / winning / losing / drawing etc that revolves around the final score. Rightly or wrongly the result at the end of the game will always stand.

Quite correct ^^^^

We have CCTV/video play-back technology, and this should be used.
at the moment we is being @r$e-fvcked by the current system, to the benefit of our rivals.

Cheats should be put in stocks outside selhurst

because CHEATS (and I include Snodgrass) should be fcked right off

I disengage, I turn the page.

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chateauferret 23 Nov 17 11.08am
Perhaps this is why Koeman wouldn't pick Niasse or give him a locker. As well as getting banned he's been an embarrassment to his club. ============ The Ferret ============
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23 Nov 17 11.08am

Perhaps this is why Koeman wouldn't pick Niasse or give him a locker. As well as getting banned he's been an embarrassment to his club.

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essetwentyone london 23 Nov 17 11.10am
VAR is essential to stop situations like this. A review of the dive would have resulted in no pen and a yellow card which would have later seen Niasse sent off for his next yellow card offence. 1-0 up against 10 men !! This would stop all the feeling of injustice now and other teams benefitting instead of us. Even if the VAR decision had been for a pen it would’ve been final and an end to it.
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london 23 Nov 17 11.10am

VAR is essential to stop situations like this. A review of the dive would have resulted in no pen and a yellow card which would have later seen Niasse sent off for his next yellow card offence. 1-0 up against 10 men !! This would stop all the feeling of injustice now and other teams benefitting instead of us. Even if the VAR decision had been for a pen it would’ve been final and an end to it.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Nov 17 11.26am
Originally posted by chateauferret The use of VAR would need to be carefully designed oc course but FFS it would be hard to make the quality of decision-making any worse than it is now. Referees get 98% of decisions right which of course is a high percentage. Of course on occasions the the 'Big' decisions can be called into question but I can understand the reasons from a referee's perspective. When players seek to deceive the referee in the penalty area (And outside) perhaps the focus of ire should be trained on them.It almost seems as though simulation is part of their daily training !!!!
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South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Nov 17 11.26am

Originally posted by chateauferret

The use of VAR would need to be carefully designed oc course but FFS it would be hard to make the quality of decision-making any worse than it is now.

Referees get 98% of decisions right which of course is a high percentage.

Of course on occasions the the 'Big' decisions can be called into question but I can understand the reasons from a referee's perspective.

When players seek to deceive the referee in the penalty area (And outside) perhaps the focus of ire should be trained on them.It almost seems as though simulation is part of their daily training !!!!

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chateauferret 23 Nov 17 11.31am
Originally posted by Willo Referees get 98% of decisions right which of course is a high percentage. Of course on occasions the the 'Big' decisions can be called into question but I can understand the reasons from a referee's perspective. When players seek to deceive the referee in the penalty area (And outside) perhaps the focus of ire should be trained on them.It almost seems as though simulation is part of their daily training !!!! That would suit you wouldn't it? Deflect the attention from the people whose job it is to stop players cheating. It is precisely because the standard of refereeing is so poor that these players get away with it. I've explained why that 98% isn't as impressive as it sounds already but I guess you took no notice of that because it didn't suit your agenda. Edited by chateauferret (23 Nov 2017 11.32am) ============ The Ferret ============
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23 Nov 17 11.31am

Originally posted by Willo

Referees get 98% of decisions right which of course is a high percentage.

Of course on occasions the the 'Big' decisions can be called into question but I can understand the reasons from a referee's perspective.

When players seek to deceive the referee in the penalty area (And outside) perhaps the focus of ire should be trained on them.It almost seems as though simulation is part of their daily training !!!!

That would suit you wouldn't it? Deflect the attention from the people whose job it is to stop players cheating.

It is precisely because the standard of refereeing is so poor that these players get away with it.

I've explained why that 98% isn't as impressive as it sounds already but I guess you took no notice of that because it didn't suit your agenda.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Nov 17 11.56am
Originally posted by chateauferret That would suit you wouldn't it? Deflect the attention from the people whose job it is to stop players cheating. It is precisely because the standard of refereeing is so poor that these players get away with it. I've explained why that 98% isn't as impressive as it sounds already but I guess you took no notice of that because it didn't suit your agenda. Edited by chateauferret (23 Nov 2017 11.32am) I was criticised for not producing hard facts and when I do I get pilloried and the facts are discredited. Now who is talking about an 'Agenda' ? Regards "Deflection" all the focus on HOL has been centred on the referee so I'm not taking any lectures about my so called stance on the matter. I really don't accept that refereeing standards in the PL are "So poor".Of course in the modern game referees need assistance and would welcome the introduction of technology to assist them. Edited by Willo (23 Nov 2017 11.58am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Nov 17 11.56am

Originally posted by chateauferret

That would suit you wouldn't it? Deflect the attention from the people whose job it is to stop players cheating.

It is precisely because the standard of refereeing is so poor that these players get away with it.

I've explained why that 98% isn't as impressive as it sounds already but I guess you took no notice of that because it didn't suit your agenda.

Edited by chateauferret (23 Nov 2017 11.32am)

I was criticised for not producing hard facts and when I do I get pilloried and the facts are discredited. Now who is talking about an 'Agenda' ?

Regards "Deflection" all the focus on HOL has been centred on the referee so I'm not taking any lectures about my so called stance on the matter.

I really don't accept that refereeing standards in the PL are "So poor".Of course in the modern game referees need assistance and would welcome the introduction of technology to assist them.

Edited by Willo (23 Nov 2017 11.58am)

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The Dolphin 23 Nov 17 11.57am
Willo Your "Referees get 98% right" is a little on the high side in my opinion and in Mr Taylor's case on saturday I would say that he got towards 50% wrong! I am pleased that someone has been pulled for cheating but it doesn't help the team that was cheated and that is why video help is needed for big stuff. The ref's aren't helped by players who cheat (most of them do at some point)but they are highly experienced specialists and they should be able to spot a dive when they are that close. It is just plain wrong!
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23 Nov 17 11.57am

Willo
Your "Referees get 98% right" is a little on the high side in my opinion and in Mr Taylor's case on saturday I would say that he got towards 50% wrong!
I am pleased that someone has been pulled for cheating but it doesn't help the team that was cheated and that is why video help is needed for big stuff.
The ref's aren't helped by players who cheat (most of them do at some point)but they are highly experienced specialists and they should be able to spot a dive when they are that close.
It is just plain wrong!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Nov 17 12.04pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Willo Your "Referees get 98% right" is a little on the high side in my opinion and in Mr Taylor's case on saturday I would say that he got towards 50% wrong! I am pleased that someone has been pulled for cheating but it doesn't help the team that was cheated and that is why video help is needed for big stuff. The ref's aren't helped by players who cheat (most of them do at some point)but they are highly experienced specialists and they should be able to spot a dive when they are that close. It is just plain wrong! All to do with angles and the referees view. Happens very fast and the referee has to consider if any contact was made and the degree of contact etc etc.Trust me, it can be very difficult - we see incidents umpteen times in 'Slow-Mo'.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Nov 17 12.04pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Willo
Your "Referees get 98% right" is a little on the high side in my opinion and in Mr Taylor's case on saturday I would say that he got towards 50% wrong!
I am pleased that someone has been pulled for cheating but it doesn't help the team that was cheated and that is why video help is needed for big stuff.
The ref's aren't helped by players who cheat (most of them do at some point)but they are highly experienced specialists and they should be able to spot a dive when they are that close.
It is just plain wrong!

All to do with angles and the referees view. Happens very fast and the referee has to consider if any contact was made and the degree of contact etc etc.Trust me, it can be very difficult - we see incidents umpteen times in 'Slow-Mo'.

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Mapletree Croydon 23 Nov 17 12.06pm
A huge amount rides on the big decisions in football, literally millions of Pounds Of course some clubs train people to cheat and sledge referees and - as it appears we don't - more fool us. If it's impossible to train referees well enough to make them reasonably fool-proof then they need help. In general rugby referees make fewer big mistakes despite having a more complex game. Yet in their case they also brought in video assistance. It is outrageous in the technological age that football hasn't dealt with this many many years ago.
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Croydon 23 Nov 17 12.06pm

A huge amount rides on the big decisions in football, literally millions of Pounds

Of course some clubs train people to cheat and sledge referees and - as it appears we don't - more fool us.

If it's impossible to train referees well enough to make them reasonably fool-proof then they need help.

In general rugby referees make fewer big mistakes despite having a more complex game. Yet in their case they also brought in video assistance.

It is outrageous in the technological age that football hasn't dealt with this many many years ago.

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KLEAGLE2 Shirley 23 Nov 17 12.33pm
Originally posted by Willo All to do with angles and the referees view. Happens very fast and the referee has to consider if any contact was made and the degree of contact etc etc.Trust me, it can be very difficult - we see incidents umpteen times in 'Slow-Mo'. This is 100% correct. From my view in the Holmesdale near the tunnel, it was an obvious and outrageous dive. Interested to know the thoughts of fans sitting in the AW with the same view as the ref.
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Shirley 23 Nov 17 12.33pm

Originally posted by Willo

This is 100% correct. From my view in the Holmesdale near the tunnel, it was an obvious and outrageous dive. Interested to know the thoughts of fans sitting in the AW with the same view as the ref.

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chateauferret 23 Nov 17 12.47pm
Originally posted by Willo I was criticised for not producing hard facts and when I do I get pilloried and the facts are discredited. Now who is talking about an 'Agenda' ? Regards "Deflection" all the focus on HOL has been centred on the referee so I'm not taking any lectures about my so called stance on the matter. I really don't accept that refereeing standards in the PL are "So poor".Of course in the modern game referees need assistance and would welcome the introduction of technology to assist them. Edited by Willo (23 Nov 2017 11.58am) I didn't discredit the only fact you've actually given except to observe that it comes from PGMOL and appears in an article clearly designed as an apology for s* referees so is hardly impartial. However, faute de mieux. What I did do was point out that five mistakes per match still meas, conservatively speaking, 25% or so of matches being perverted by officials' errors and that is really quite s*e. I think you'll also find that 90%+ of those decisions are totally routine such that my cat could call them correctly. If you think that amounts to your being "pilloried" I suggest you get psychiatric help. Edited by chateauferret (23 Nov 2017 12.53pm) ============ The Ferret ============
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23 Nov 17 12.47pm

Originally posted by Willo

I was criticised for not producing hard facts and when I do I get pilloried and the facts are discredited. Now who is talking about an 'Agenda' ?

Regards "Deflection" all the focus on HOL has been centred on the referee so I'm not taking any lectures about my so called stance on the matter.

I really don't accept that refereeing standards in the PL are "So poor".Of course in the modern game referees need assistance and would welcome the introduction of technology to assist them.

Edited by Willo (23 Nov 2017 11.58am)

I didn't discredit the only fact you've actually given except to observe that it comes from PGMOL and appears in an article clearly designed as an apology for s*** referees so is hardly impartial. However, faute de mieux.

What I did do was point out that five mistakes per match still meas, conservatively speaking, 25% or so of matches being perverted by officials' errors and that is really quite s***e.

I think you'll also find that 90%+ of those decisions are totally routine such that my cat could call them correctly.

If you think that amounts to your being "pilloried" I suggest you get psychiatric help.

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