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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Oct 17 4.57pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I think this is the distinction that some here aren't making: medical or religious reasons for the procedure. If, after consulting a physician - who would also perform the procedure, in a medical facility - parents decide to go ahead, then that's an informed decision. Only if the medical reason is by diagnosis, not prevention of a possible problem in the future. It seems that in the US circumcision for 'medical reasons' includes questionable preventative health reasons - which aren't really scientifically all that valid or reasonable. most of the mooted health 'benefits' relate to sexually transmitted diseases, and the effectiveness of circumcision do not exceed widely available contraceptive measures (such as condoms) - which also prevent the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. UTI's aren't really a major threat to life or well being. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 11 Oct 17 4.57pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I think this is the distinction that some here aren't making: medical or religious reasons for the procedure. If, after consulting a physician - who would also perform the procedure, in a medical facility - parents decide to go ahead, then that's an informed decision.

Only if the medical reason is by diagnosis, not prevention of a possible problem in the future. It seems that in the US circumcision for 'medical reasons' includes questionable preventative health reasons - which aren't really scientifically all that valid or reasonable.

most of the mooted health 'benefits' relate to sexually transmitted diseases, and the effectiveness of circumcision do not exceed widely available contraceptive measures (such as condoms) - which also prevent the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.

UTI's aren't really a major threat to life or well being.

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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 17 5.13pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Only if the medical reason is by diagnosis, not prevention of a possible problem in the future. It seems that in the US circumcision for 'medical reasons' includes questionable preventative health reasons - which aren't really scientifically all that valid or reasonable. most of the mooted health 'benefits' relate to sexually transmitted diseases, and the effectiveness of circumcision do not exceed widely available contraceptive measures (such as condoms) - which also prevent the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. UTI's aren't really a major threat to life or well being. It's not just STDs though. There are certain male cancers that are prevented, as wells as general non sex-related benefits of having a clean todger. The AAP decided that the full spread of benefits outweigh the risks. Those risks, of course, increasing steadily with age so, nipping it in the bud, as it were, makes it a far less onerous procedure than having it done as an adult - after which it may already have been too late to avoid one of the things that the procedure helps avoid. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

UTI's aren't really a major threat to life or well being.

It's not just STDs though. There are certain male cancers that are prevented, as wells as general non sex-related benefits of having a clean todger. The AAP decided that the full spread of benefits outweigh the risks. Those risks, of course, increasing steadily with age so, nipping it in the bud, as it were, makes it a far less onerous procedure than having it done as an adult - after which it may already have been too late to avoid one of the things that the procedure helps avoid.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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johnno42000 11 Oct 17 9.07pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 You should look at the rape and sexual assault conviction rate compared to the reports of rape and sexual assault to the police. About 1 in 14 reported rapes end in a conviction. I believe in this case she was found guilty of sexual assault and she pleaded not guilty. The assault left him bleeding (presumably from around his bottom). The maximum sentence is life. IMO she got off very lightly and I doubt a man would have gotten away so lightly. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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11 Oct 17 9.07pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

You should look at the rape and sexual assault conviction rate compared to the reports of rape and sexual assault to the police.

About 1 in 14 reported rapes end in a conviction.

I believe in this case she was found guilty of sexual assault and she pleaded not guilty. The assault left him bleeding (presumably from around his bottom). The maximum sentence is life. IMO she got off very lightly and I doubt a man would have gotten away so lightly.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Ray in Houston Houston 12 Oct 17 7.28pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 I believe in this case she was found guilty of sexual assault and she pleaded not guilty. The assault left him bleeding (presumably from around his bottom). The maximum sentence is life. IMO she got off very lightly and I doubt a man would have gotten away so lightly. Did you not read the very post you quoted? The point of that post being that a man would almost certainly have got away with it completely. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 12 Oct 17 7.28pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

Did you not read the very post you quoted? The point of that post being that a man would almost certainly have got away with it completely.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Oct 17 9.14am
Originally posted by johnno42000 I believe in this case she was found guilty of sexual assault and she pleaded not guilty. The assault left him bleeding (presumably from around his bottom). The maximum sentence is life. IMO she got off very lightly and I doubt a man would have gotten away so lightly. 7% of rapes reported by women to the police end in conviction. So I think, chances are, if the roles were reversed, it wouldn't even have made it to court. Sentences for rape, widely touted as the second most serious offence against the person, after murder, rarely see sentences of more than five years. So for every man convicted of rape, at least 13 get away with it. And people wonder why women don't go to the police more often. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 13 Oct 17 9.14am

Originally posted by johnno42000

7% of rapes reported by women to the police end in conviction. So I think, chances are, if the roles were reversed, it wouldn't even have made it to court.

Sentences for rape, widely touted as the second most serious offence against the person, after murder, rarely see sentences of more than five years.

So for every man convicted of rape, at least 13 get away with it. And people wonder why women don't go to the police more often.

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npn Crowborough 13 Oct 17 9.44am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 So for every man convicted of rape, at least 13 get away with it. And people wonder why women don't go to the police more often. That is, of course, based on the assumption that 100% of rape claims are genuine. I don't know what the actual figures are, but it's certainly not 100% as a few recent cases of nutters crying rape have confirmed.
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Crowborough 13 Oct 17 9.44am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So for every man convicted of rape, at least 13 get away with it. And people wonder why women don't go to the police more often.

That is, of course, based on the assumption that 100% of rape claims are genuine. I don't know what the actual figures are, but it's certainly not 100% as a few recent cases of nutters crying rape have confirmed.

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Stirlingsays 13 Oct 17 9.53am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 7% of rapes reported by women to the police end in conviction. So I think, chances are, if the roles were reversed, it wouldn't even have made it to court. Sentences for rape, widely touted as the second most serious offence against the person, after murder, rarely see sentences of more than five years. So for every man convicted of rape, at least 13 get away with it. And people wonder why women don't go to the police more often. The problem here is the nature of the crime. This is about consent and physical evidence. So what's the solution? I'm very suspicious about what the explicit realities that screwing around with the burden of proof here. In private educational institutions in the US....some have done just that. The Rubin report looked into it. [Link] If that's the environment you want I'm not with you. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2017 9.55am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Oct 17 9.53am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

7% of rapes reported by women to the police end in conviction. So I think, chances are, if the roles were reversed, it wouldn't even have made it to court.

Sentences for rape, widely touted as the second most serious offence against the person, after murder, rarely see sentences of more than five years.

So for every man convicted of rape, at least 13 get away with it. And people wonder why women don't go to the police more often.

The problem here is the nature of the crime. This is about consent and physical evidence.

So what's the solution?

I'm very suspicious about what the explicit realities that screwing around with the burden of proof here.

In private educational institutions in the US....some have done just that. The Rubin report looked into it.

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If that's the environment you want I'm not with you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2017 9.55am)

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johnfirewall 17 Oct 17 6.45pm
Just been told I'm part of the problem and shouldn't be commenting when I spoke up in favour of the #metoo tag, when it was implied men should instead be coming forward as the offenders. Good luck smashing the patriarchy.
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17 Oct 17 6.45pm

Just been told I'm part of the problem and shouldn't be commenting when I spoke up in favour of the #metoo tag, when it was implied men should instead be coming forward as the offenders.

Good luck smashing the patriarchy.

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Kermit8 Hevon 17 Oct 17 7.06pm
Originally posted by johnfirewall Just been told I'm part of the problem and shouldn't be commenting when I spoke up in favour of the #metoo tag, when it was implied men should instead be coming forward as the offenders. Good luck smashing the patriarchy. Ah, you should have mentioned some old poof trying it on with you as a young lad as I did. Snookered. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 17 Oct 17 7.06pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Just been told I'm part of the problem and shouldn't be commenting when I spoke up in favour of the #metoo tag, when it was implied men should instead be coming forward as the offenders.

Good luck smashing the patriarchy.

Ah, you should have mentioned some old poof trying it on with you as a young lad as I did. Snookered.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 17 Oct 17 7.43pm
Just watched this video by a female at university who's fed up with male feminists....which we know a set proportion of will just be beta males trying to get tail the only pathetic way they can....or they had negative male experiences in their family...though that's my belief not hers. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2017 7.51pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Oct 17 7.43pm

Just watched this video by a female at university who's fed up with male feminists....which we know a set proportion of will just be beta males trying to get tail the only pathetic way they can....or they had negative male experiences in their family...though that's my belief not hers.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2017 7.51pm)

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Stuk Top half 15 Dec 17 5.07pm
A nigh-on identical case has happened in Japan. [Link] Optimistic as ever
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Top half 15 Dec 17 5.07pm

A nigh-on identical case has happened in Japan.

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Optimistic as ever

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Dec 17 5.11pm
Originally posted by johnfirewall Just been told I'm part of the problem and shouldn't be commenting when I spoke up in favour of the #metoo tag, when it was implied men should instead be coming forward as the offenders. Good luck smashing the patriarchy. Ther are a significant number of women who just hate men for various reasons, in the same way that some men hate women. We give those women a voice and should not be surprised when they spout a lot of bitter twisted tosh. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Dec 2017 5.12pm)
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Originally posted by johnfirewall

Just been told I'm part of the problem and shouldn't be commenting when I spoke up in favour of the #metoo tag, when it was implied men should instead be coming forward as the offenders.

Good luck smashing the patriarchy.

Ther are a significant number of women who just hate men for various reasons, in the same way that some men hate women.
We give those women a voice and should not be surprised when they spout a lot of bitter twisted tosh.

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