I have heard the spin over and over but I have lived through Labour governments and I know what a mess they leave.

My advice. Never vote Labour.

So you survived that state inflicted famines, the secret police knocking on your door at midnight, the gulags etc?

No not at all.

People don't starve in this country. We are one of only a few countries around the world where this happens.

I would argue that you support policies that would threaten this reality.

The Tories are far from perfect, many of their supporters only support them because they are self interested in keeping hold of their stuff and maintaining advantage.

I'm more interested in supporting and creating an effective meritocracy, but one which also treats the vulnerable fairly.

The Labour party is obsessed with equality....this notion that not only that we are all equal (only a half truth) but that we all deserve an equal share in the wealth of a nation......A utter lunacy in a world where capital can take flight.

The people who suffer most from socialism are the poor....in two ways....one they quickly become poorer....two...and perhaps worse...they were lied too by people who then finger point the blame at others.

McDonnell 2013:

"We've got to demand systemic change. Look, I'm straight, I'm honest with people: I'm a Marxist."
"This is a classic crisis of the economy - a classic capitalist crisis. I've been waiting for this for a generation!"

So we want a Marxist as Chancellor do we?
We want someone who looked forward to a massive financial crisis for people. Just look what sort of a guy he is - you can't seriously want him anywhere near power.

Edited by hedgehog50 (02 Oct 2017 5.50pm)

What have you got against the thoughts of Karl Marx specifically?

Mainly that those who have attempted to implement his thoughts have murdered countless millions of people. This is in addition to his ideas being a complete load of nonsense.