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wordup  26 Sep 17 4.00pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Sep 17 4.01pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The Jessie Owens card again. He was running in Nazi Germany. To compare that to now is insulting to the democracy we enjoy. So we can all protest at football matches or any place of employment when it takes our fancy? Are you sure you want to go with that? I'm not, I'm saying that there is a long tradition of protesting in sports, where in people, who have achieved success, speak out on behalf of others. I'm not comparing Nazi Germany to the US - You're implying that. What the US does have is a problem with police violence - which I don't believe is even black specific, only that poor black communities have the political leverage to make it an issue (the same problem occurs with policing in poor white and poor latino communities). I've protested at work, I was part of the PCMS strikes and worked to rule in the past.. People protest at football matches as well (often in fact, usually against the board or manager).
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 Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by YT
I confess I haven't ploughed through all 13 pages, but to answer the OP... In my opinion, national anthems are perfectly acceptable at international events, and even add to the occasion, but playing them (or rather "it" ) at a domestic event is ridiculous. I understand that at Wembley on Sunday both the USA and UK anthems were played...which is even more ridiculous! Now backtracking, I also find the anthem OK at the Cup Final, but that's more out of sense of tradition. Edited by YT (26 Sep 2017 3.57pm) Perhaps that's the solution to this problem. They should just stop playing the anthem for normal matches. Obviously for national teams you can't really do that and still have much of a point to having national sides.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 4.04pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
If you write what can easily be construed as racist, don't be surprised to be called out.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Sep 17 4.06pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You think sport and politics do mix then? Don't be shy. Let's hear it. I think everything is political, and that every thing we do or say, is engaging in discourses that defines and redefines who we are, and society, on a continual basis. So yeah, I think everything and politics mix. Even when we're not talking about politics, we position our view point through language, which relates back to politics; because our views are what politics are formed from.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 4.09pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Stop proffering inaccurate, racist arguments, and I'll stop using the word. The problem with a descent into abusive labels is that it can become a two way situation and then what's the point?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Sep 17 4.12pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
These protests have no rationality or aim behind them. They would be better campaigning against gang culture or drug dealing which are significant instead of tokenism. The US doesn't have a problem with an overly violent and aggressive police force, that has a worrying habit of getting away with shootings, that in any other country in the West would often be considered murder? As for Gang Culture and drug dealing - I don't believe that they're legal, or provided for by the state. How would you protest something that is illegal (not to mention that the war on drugs is so long lost esp in poorer areas, that its actually more of a problem than the actual drugs are). Legalise the drugs, take the supply under state control, and you'll undermine the power of the gangs and the drug dealers, by removing their income; and the allure. You protest the state and its apparatus, because they're legal representatives of the state. Its accountable to the people.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 4.13pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm not, I'm saying that there is a long tradition of protesting in sports, where in people, who have achieved success, speak out on behalf of others. I'm not comparing Nazi Germany to the US - You're implying that. What the US does have is a problem with police violence - which I don't believe is even black specific, only that poor black communities have the political leverage to make it an issue (the same problem occurs with policing in poor white and poor latino communities). I've protested at work, I was part of the PCMS strikes and worked to rule in the past.. People protest at football matches as well (often in fact, usually against the board or manager).
I don't care who is protesting and about what. It is taking advantage of exposure as a sportsman to make a disproportionate noise about a particular issue. You said it. It is about political leverage. Black activism would be better off targeting problems among black people rather than diverting from that by highlighting shootings by white policeman. That is not so sexy though is it.
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| wordup 26 Sep 17 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I don't care who is protesting and about what. It is taking advantage of exposure as a sportsman to make a disproportionate noise about a particular issue. You said it. It is about political leverage. Black activism would be better off targeting problems among black people rather than diverting from that by highlighting shootings by white policeman. That is not so sexy though is it. What would you like to happen if players continue to take a knee before the game? What consequence?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The US doesn't have a problem with an overly violent and aggressive police force, that has a worrying habit of getting away with shootings, that in any other country in the West would often be considered murder? As for Gang Culture and drug dealing - I don't believe that they're legal, or provided for by the state. How would you protest something that is illegal (not to mention that the war on drugs is so long lost esp in poorer areas, that its actually more of a problem than the actual drugs are). Legalise the drugs, take the supply under state control, and you'll undermine the power of the gangs and the drug dealers, by removing their income; and the allure. You protest the state and its apparatus, because they're legal representatives of the state. Its accountable to the people. So the answer is to hammer the police force rather than concentrate on the criminals who they protect us from. How many unjustified shootings have there been? The state have a responsibility to act properly but they are also the only thing between us and the criminals.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
What would you like to happen if players continue to take a knee before the game? What consequence? Housemaids knee?
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Kermit8  Hevon 26 Sep 17 4.24pm |
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The Right Wing yesterday were a victim of Ladies football on here, today it is bended-knee black footballers, last month it was probably the BBC, going into the past and into the future it is the EU, not forgetting the left, they are huge victims of that. Mwaaaah! Plenty more examples at the ready.
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