Explosion at parsons Green underground station

This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.

Explosion at parsons Green underground station

Previous Topic | Next Topic

Page 14 of 23 < 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 >

Hrolf The Ganger 19 Sep 17 12.44pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 How many innocent people would you let die, in order to protect your 'own citizens'. The reality is of course you have to have to take all reasonable precautions and be selective, of course. Problem is, we don't really do any of that or when we do, we're so late in the game, that we can't be reasonably sure, usually after they've turned up here, after being in refugee camps for a few years. All of them to protect my family, in a heartbeat. People are dying every day all over the world in terrible circumstances. I can't save them all and neither do I feel morally obliged to do so. That is not the same as saying that I don't sympahise or feel pain when I see people suffer but one has to resist the temptation to make emotional decisions that are ultimately self destructive. People will always take but how many would give in return? Some want to kill us for our good nature.
Alert a moderator to this post

Hrolf The Ganger

19 Sep 17 12.44pm

Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

How many innocent people would you let die, in order to protect your 'own citizens'. The reality is of course you have to have to take all reasonable precautions and be selective, of course.

Problem is, we don't really do any of that or when we do, we're so late in the game, that we can't be reasonably sure, usually after they've turned up here, after being in refugee camps for a few years.

All of them to protect my family, in a heartbeat.
People are dying every day all over the world in terrible circumstances. I can't save them all and neither do I feel morally obliged to do so. That is not the same as saying that I don't sympahise or feel pain when I see people suffer but one has to resist the temptation to make emotional decisions that are ultimately self destructive. People will always take but how many would give in return? Some want to kill us for our good nature.

Alert a moderator to this post

Hrolf The Ganger 19 Sep 17 12.51pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 The US lost 3,000 in one day in 2001 but didn't stop asylum because of it. Were they being over the top righteous? You probably didn't have an opinion on it one way or the other. And if they had stopped all asylum where would that have gotten them 16 years later and now on the world stage? North Korea lost 1million citizens in 1953-54 and so closed themselves off. That's worked well. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 12.28pm) North Korea is not a pariah because of it's isolation but because of it's loony communist government.
Alert a moderator to this post

Hrolf The Ganger

19 Sep 17 12.51pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The US lost 3,000 in one day in 2001 but didn't stop asylum because of it. Were they being over the top righteous? You probably didn't have an opinion on it one way or the other. And if they had stopped all asylum where would that have gotten them 16 years later and now on the world stage?

North Korea lost 1million citizens in 1953-54 and so closed themselves off. That's worked well.

Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 12.28pm)

North Korea is not a pariah because of it's isolation but because of it's loony communist government.

Alert a moderator to this post

Stirlingsays 19 Sep 17 12.52pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 The US lost 3,000 in one day in 2001 but didn't stop asylum because of it. Were they being over the top righteous? You probably didn't have an opinion on it one way or the other. And if they had stopped all asylum where would that have gotten them 16 years later and now on the world stage? North Korea lost 1million citizens in 1953-54 and so closed themselves off. That's worked well. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 12.28pm) Now there are crowbar comparisons and then there is that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
Alert a moderator to this post

Stirlingsays

19 Sep 17 12.52pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

North Korea lost 1million citizens in 1953-54 and so closed themselves off. That's worked well.

Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 12.28pm)

Now there are crowbar comparisons and then there is that.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert a moderator to this post

Stirlingsays 19 Sep 17 12.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger North Korea is not a pariah because of it's isolation but because of it's loony communist government. Japan destroys all of Kermit's arguments on this issue....well, let me refine that....reality destroys most of his arguments in general. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
Alert a moderator to this post

Stirlingsays

19 Sep 17 12.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

North Korea is not a pariah because of it's isolation but because of it's loony communist government.

Japan destroys all of Kermit's arguments on this issue....well, let me refine that....reality destroys most of his arguments in general.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert a moderator to this post

Kermit8 Hevon 19 Sep 17 1.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Japan destroys all of Kermit's arguments on this issue....well, let me refine that....reality destroys most of his arguments in general. 53rd happiest nation, Stirling. Why don't you move there? I will stick here and our 23rd ranking. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
Alert a moderator to this post

Kermit8

Hevon 19 Sep 17 1.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Japan destroys all of Kermit's arguments on this issue....well, let me refine that....reality destroys most of his arguments in general.

53rd happiest nation, Stirling. Why don't you move there? I will stick here and our 23rd ranking.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Alert a moderator to this post

Stirlingsays 19 Sep 17 1.06pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 53rd happiest nation, Stirling. Why don't you move there? I will stick here and our 23rd ranking. Japan have rejected increased immigration. So you connecting happiness with that is about as relevant and nonsensical as your America/North Korea comparison. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2017 1.06pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
Alert a moderator to this post

Stirlingsays

19 Sep 17 1.06pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

53rd happiest nation, Stirling. Why don't you move there? I will stick here and our 23rd ranking.

Japan have rejected increased immigration. So you connecting happiness with that is about as relevant and nonsensical as your America/North Korea comparison.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2017 1.06pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert a moderator to this post

Kermit8 Hevon 19 Sep 17 1.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Japan have rejected increased immigration. So you connecting happiness with that is about as relevant and nonsensical as your America/North Korea comparison. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2017 1.06pm) Well you certainly have a hard-on for your interpretation of Japan's (and Poland's) ethnocentric attitudes and seem to believe they are much better places than Blighty because of it. I just thought if our country's way of doing things displeases you so much with your constant criticism of it you could always go to one where your mindset might fit in more? Makes sense. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 1.17pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
Alert a moderator to this post

Kermit8

Hevon 19 Sep 17 1.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Japan have rejected increased immigration. So you connecting happiness with that is about as relevant and nonsensical as your America/North Korea comparison.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2017 1.06pm)

Well you certainly have a hard-on for your interpretation of Japan's (and Poland's) ethnocentric attitudes and seem to believe they are much better places than Blighty because of it. I just thought if our country's way of doing things displeases you so much with your constant criticism of it you could always go to one where your mindset might fit in more? Makes sense.

Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 1.17pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Alert a moderator to this post

Stirlingsays 19 Sep 17 1.26pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well you certainly have a hard-on for your interpretation of Japan's (and Poland's) ethnocentric attitudes and seem to believe they are much better places than Blighty because of it. I just thought if our country's way of doing things displeases you so much with your constant criticism of it you could always go to one where your mindset might fit in more? Makes sense. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 1.17pm) They are much better in their attitudes towards immigration.....As for your suggestion that I move there....I think perhaps you are missing a trick there. Besides I'm English and have always lived here....A nationality you can't even call yourself. This is my country and my fate is sealed within. I argue for the rejection of progressive attitudes and ideas that are damaging it. Ethnocentric ideas are in the majority anyway amongst the actual population. To say that I don't like my own country is just more crowbar logic from you. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
Alert a moderator to this post

Stirlingsays

19 Sep 17 1.26pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 1.17pm)

They are much better in their attitudes towards immigration.....As for your suggestion that I move there....I think perhaps you are missing a trick there.

Besides I'm English and have always lived here....A nationality you can't even call yourself. This is my country and my fate is sealed within. I argue for the rejection of progressive attitudes and ideas that are damaging it. Ethnocentric ideas are in the majority anyway amongst the actual population.

To say that I don't like my own country is just more crowbar logic from you.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Alert a moderator to this post

dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 19 Sep 17 1.28pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well you certainly have a hard-on for your interpretation of Japan's (and Poland's) ethnocentric attitudes and seem to believe they are much better places than Blighty because of it. I just thought if our country's way of doing things displeases you so much with your constant criticism of it you could always go to one where your mindset might fit in more? Makes sense. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 1.17pm) Do I really need to point out the ball smashingly obvious irony to this statement. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
Alert a moderator to this post

dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 19 Sep 17 1.28pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 1.17pm)

Do I really need to point out the ball smashingly obvious irony to this statement.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

Alert a moderator to this post

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Sep 17 1.30pm
Originally posted by dannyh Do I really need to point out the ball smashingly obvious irony to this statement. Pro USA & Israel
Alert a moderator to this post

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Sep 17 1.30pm

Originally posted by dannyh

Do I really need to point out the ball smashingly obvious irony to this statement.

Pro USA & Israel

Alert a moderator to this post

hedgehog50 Croydon 19 Sep 17 1.30pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All of them to protect my family, in a heartbeat. People are dying every day all over the world in terrible circumstances. I can't save them all and neither do I feel morally obliged to do so. That is not the same as saying that I don't sympahise or feel pain when I see people suffer but one has to resist the temptation to make emotional decisions that are ultimately self destructive. People will always take but how many would give in return? Some want to kill us for our good nature. The game of who you would let live and let die is more complicated than just numbers. The people you let die might include someone who would have grown up to find a cure for cancer say. Similarly, those you let live might include someone who grows up to become a leader who does great damage to society - a baby Jeremy Corbyn for instance. Edited by hedgehog50 (19 Sep 2017 1.30pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
Alert a moderator to this post

hedgehog50

Croydon 19 Sep 17 1.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The game of who you would let live and let die is more complicated than just numbers. The people you let die might include someone who would have grown up to find a cure for cancer say. Similarly, those you let live might include someone who grows up to become a leader who does great damage to society - a baby Jeremy Corbyn for instance.

Edited by hedgehog50 (19 Sep 2017 1.30pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Alert a moderator to this post

jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Sep 17 2.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All of them to protect my family, in a heartbeat. People are dying every day all over the world in terrible circumstances. I can't save them all and neither do I feel morally obliged to do so. That is not the same as saying that I don't sympahise or feel pain when I see people suffer but one has to resist the temptation to make emotional decisions that are ultimately self destructive. People will always take but how many would give in return? Some want to kill us for our good nature. Personally, yes. I'd let any number of people die, to protect my own family and loved ones. And not just immigrants. But that's why policy and law can't be determined on personal emotions - the rules have to be fair. Asylum, if we go to source though, can be made to work for the UK in a way the current system doesn't. If you can select from the camps and refugees crossing the border, you can pick and choose the best candidates rather than just those who turn up on the door step. It also creates a reasonable grounds for refusing most Asylum claims 'at the border' of the UK and returning people to the point of transit to the UK (i.e. refusing them entry - which is a lot easier than dealing with denied claimants later) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
Alert a moderator to this post

jamiemartin721

Reading 19 Sep 17 2.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Personally, yes. I'd let any number of people die, to protect my own family and loved ones. And not just immigrants. But that's why policy and law can't be determined on personal emotions - the rules have to be fair.

Asylum, if we go to source though, can be made to work for the UK in a way the current system doesn't. If you can select from the camps and refugees crossing the border, you can pick and choose the best candidates rather than just those who turn up on the door step.

It also creates a reasonable grounds for refusing most Asylum claims 'at the border' of the UK and returning people to the point of transit to the UK (i.e. refusing them entry - which is a lot easier than dealing with denied claimants later)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Alert a moderator to this post

Page 14 of 23 < 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

Crystal Palace FC Supporters' Website - The Holmesdale Online

Explosion at parsons Green underground station

Site Map

New users

Existing users

Sponsors