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serial thriller The Promised Land 11 Aug 17 11.48am | |
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This is the f*cked up state of affairs we have in our country. We can sell arms to someone and train their security services, but you should also denounce their regime as authoritarian and call for it to be replaced. It's almost as if the free market disregards any concept of morality.
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wordup 11 Aug 17 6.05pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
This is the f*cked up state of affairs we have in our country. We can sell arms to someone and train their security services, but you should also denounce their regime as authoritarian and call for it to be replaced. It's almost as if the free market disregards any concept of morality. I guess most countries are a bundle on contradictions. Where there is money to be made it's kind of thing sadly has an inevitability to it I'm afraid. It's certainly not an industry I'd work in though.
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wordup 11 Aug 17 10.46pm | |
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Aug 17 10.59pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
This is the f*cked up state of affairs we have in our country. We can sell arms to someone and train their security services, but you should also denounce their regime as authoritarian and call for it to be replaced. It's almost as if the free market disregards any concept of morality. How come selling weapons to Maduro is less bad than someone saying violence needs to cease on all sides?
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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 12 Aug 17 9.46am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Made my mind up. I don't accept the propaganda of a far-left blogger that is cobbled together from an article by Michael Prysner, a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation, a USA Marxist/Leninist nut-job communist party. But you'll happily consume propaganda from the likes of Murdoch, the Mail and the corporate-owned Tory party? Fair enough.
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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 17 10.15am | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
How long have you been on this earth before you understood that? The free market isn't about morality. It operates within legality....mostly. If it was about morality then it wouldn't be free....would it. The flip side of this is that the free market and technology development with mass production have done more for mankind than any number of politicians talking political hot air about morality ever has. I'm not saying that the free market doesn't need to be regulated to work properly....People won't invest if they think they are going to be ripped off.....but morality? When people start regulating against morality all they end up doing is to create a black market. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2017 10.49am)
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steeleye20 Croydon 12 Aug 17 1.09pm | |
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“The Conservatives have rightly hailed the importance of supporting human rights and democracy in Venezuela. But they seem to find it irrelevant when it comes to selling billions of pounds of weapons to Saudi Arabia, which executed 153 people by beheading in 2016 and is indiscriminately bombing civilians in Yemen. In the past two years, the Conservative government has even continued selling security equipment to Venezuela. Is it the left doing this no its the tories the right as ever.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Aug 17 1.27pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
“The Conservatives have rightly hailed the importance of supporting human rights and democracy in Venezuela. But they seem to find it irrelevant when it comes to selling billions of pounds of weapons to Saudi Arabia, which executed 153 people by beheading in 2016 and is indiscriminately bombing civilians in Yemen. In the past two years, the Conservative government has even continued selling security equipment to Venezuela. Is it the left doing this no its the tories the right as ever. And Corbyn still refuses to unambiguously criticise the socialist government in Venezuela that is engaged in what the UN Human Rights Office describes as a 'widespread and systematic use of excessive force'.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Aug 17 1.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
But you'll happily consume propaganda from the likes of Murdoch, the Mail and the corporate-owned Tory party? Fair enough. You think? I don't read any newspapers and do not subscribe to Sky and have only ever voted Tory once in my life (at the last election as I couldn't bring myself to vote for a Labour party led by more or less Trotskyites).
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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 17 1.50pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
“The Conservatives have rightly hailed the importance of supporting human rights and democracy in Venezuela. But they seem to find it irrelevant when it comes to selling billions of pounds of weapons to Saudi Arabia, which executed 153 people by beheading in 2016 and is indiscriminately bombing civilians in Yemen. In the past two years, the Conservative government has even continued selling security equipment to Venezuela. Is it the left doing this no its the tories the right as ever. Well, this carried on in the last Labour government so your comparison isn't accurate. Saudi Arabia are a problem to the west but less of a problem than Iran. As we side with America, who defend us nuclear wise and they side with Israel, the only real democracy in the middle east. So aliening Saudi Arabia because....quite rightly....they offend your moral sensibilities....well that reaction doesn't help anyone. Apparently Corbyn is going to increase spending by 45 billion.....He obviously doesn't need any Saudi money does he? Even though in London they are very much the one percent.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Aug 17 2.46pm | |
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Corbyn update
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Aug 17 10.23pm | |
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“It’s odd that the mainstream press blames ‘socialism’ for the food problems in Venezuela, when the food distributors remain in the hands of private corporations,” who are “running general sabotage” of the system. That sabotage by the private sector has taken the form of hoarding of selected items, price speculation, keeping supermarket shelves empty, sending food shipments to neighbouring countries, even setting food warehouse stockpiles on fire. This purposely-generated scarcity creates chaos and discontent, further undermining the government. Maria Paez Victor notes that “The opposition orchestrated economic sabotage, corporate smuggling, black market currency manipulations, full scale hoarding of food and essential products. They closed highways, burned public buildings including a packed maternity hospital, from a helicopter dropped grenades on to the Supreme Court offices, have assaulted, lynched and even burned alive [at least 21] young men of dark skin ‘who looked Chavista’. This is a violent opposition steeped in racism and classism against their own people and in the service of foreign powers and Big Oil.”
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