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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 17 12.47pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Where has anyone suggested it's racist. I note the fgm issue seems to be aimed at Muslims. It's also practised by Christians and Jews. Not a religious practice but a cultural one. [Link] It is a disgraceful practice regardless of who does it and should be eradicated in this country at least. It is typical of such a subject that people are more interested in discussing the politics of it than actually doing something about it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2017 12.50pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2017 12.51pm)
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Where has anyone suggested it's racist. I note the fgm issue seems to be aimed at Muslims. It's also practised by Christians and Jews. Not a religious practice but a cultural one.

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It is a disgraceful practice regardless of who does it and should be eradicated in this country at least.
It is typical of such a subject that people are more interested in discussing the politics of it than actually doing something about it.

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 17 12.49pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well, seeing as they have been in power for 70% of the time since i was a teenage lad I can only go on that. And they are certainly not competent to run a country. Unless it is into the ground. They have been rather successful at that since 1979 tbf. That suggests that Labour governments have been better which my experience tells me is bollox.
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26 Apr 17 12.49pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Well, seeing as they have been in power for 70% of the time since i was a teenage lad I can only go on that. And they are certainly not competent to run a country. Unless it is into the ground. They have been rather successful at that since 1979 tbf.

That suggests that Labour governments have been better which my experience tells me is bollox.

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Apr 17 1.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That suggests that Labour governments have been better which my experience tells me is bollox. Less destructive is my take on it. If you know your historical Tory Gov policy since 1979 on housing, mental health care, NHS, education, banking, transport, privatisation, and 'yes, for your benefit only, the EEC/EU, and I know you do, then you will surely agree that that is the case. Edited by Kermit8 (26 Apr 2017 1.27pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 26 Apr 17 1.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That suggests that Labour governments have been better which my experience tells me is bollox.

Less destructive is my take on it. If you know your historical Tory Gov policy since 1979 on housing, mental health care, NHS, education, banking, transport, privatisation, and 'yes, for your benefit only, the EEC/EU, and I know you do, then you will surely agree that that is the case.

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 17 1.41pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Less destructive is my take on it. If you know your historical Tory Gov policy since 1979 on housing, mental health care, NHS, education, banking, transport, privatisation, and 'yes, for your benefit only, the EEC/EU, and I know you do, then you will surely agree that that is the case. Edited by Kermit8 (26 Apr 2017 1.27pm) Any party that is beholden to unions cannot function in the best interests of the country. The NHS is a problem that no party has solves or is likely to in it's current form. Education was damaged most by Labour's downgrading of standards in the 60's and 70's. Banking? The financial sector has been a strength in Britain's rise from the Labour doldrums of the pre Thatcher years. Transport. Trains was appalling when in government hands,a big burden on the tax payer and subject to constant industrial action. The EU was not the same animal when we entered it and The Tories gave us the opportunity to leave.
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26 Apr 17 1.41pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

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Any party that is beholden to unions cannot function in the best interests of the country.
The NHS is a problem that no party has solves or is likely to in it's current form.
Education was damaged most by Labour's downgrading of standards in the 60's and 70's.
Banking? The financial sector has been a strength in Britain's rise from the Labour doldrums of the pre Thatcher years.
Transport. Trains was appalling when in government hands,a big burden on the tax payer and subject to constant industrial action.
The EU was not the same animal when we entered it and The Tories gave us the opportunity to leave.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 27 Apr 17 4.21pm
correct me If I am wrong ( I am sure you will ) but didn't the women of the suffragette movement fight against exactly this type of female oppression ? I believe some of them paid the ultimate price. But hey as long as we don't offend any minority's archaic sensibilities. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 27 Apr 17 4.21pm

correct me If I am wrong ( I am sure you will ) but didn't the women of the suffragette movement fight against exactly this type of female oppression ? I believe some of them paid the ultimate price.

But hey as long as we don't offend any minority's archaic sensibilities.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Apr 17 4.35pm
Originally posted by dannyh correct me If I am wrong ( I am sure you will ) but didn't the women of the suffragette movement fight against exactly this type of female oppression ? I believe some of them paid the ultimate price. But hey as long as we don't offend any minority's archaic sensibilities. It's funny because you hear the expression,'It's only because they are Muslims' all the time but the sad irony is that some are prepared to tolerate the intolerable 'because they are Muslims'.
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27 Apr 17 4.35pm

Originally posted by dannyh

correct me If I am wrong ( I am sure you will ) but didn't the women of the suffragette movement fight against exactly this type of female oppression ? I believe some of them paid the ultimate price.

But hey as long as we don't offend any minority's archaic sensibilities.

It's funny because you hear the expression,'It's only because they are Muslims' all the time but the sad irony is that some are prepared to tolerate the intolerable 'because they are Muslims'.

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reborn 16 May 17 6.42am
Originally posted by Part Time James Personally I am hoping a burka ban is just a stepping stone to a polo shirt ban. Also crocs, turned up skinny jeans, suit jackets with jeans and harem pants. Exactly My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
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reborn 16 May 17 6.42am

Originally posted by Part Time James

Personally I am hoping a burka ban is just a stepping stone to a polo shirt ban. Also crocs, turned up skinny jeans, suit jackets with jeans and harem pants.

Exactly

My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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Stirlingsays 16 May 17 7.37am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It's funny because you hear the expression,'It's only because they are Muslims' all the time but the sad irony is that some are prepared to tolerate the intolerable 'because they are Muslims'. Moderate Islam is full of bad ideas. In this sense it's no different to many other religions but I think from a western perceptive it ticks most of the problem areas. Recommended female dress...while strictly not mandated by Islam is encouraged by most interpretations of it...What I find particularly offensive is the idea that women should 'dress modestly'. It's an implicit insult to the women who don't. As for the ideological..some say 'progressive' left and their hypocrisy on this matter. Well, you only have to listen to Islamic reformers like Nawaz to hear how much harder they make his already very difficult job. More thoughts from Nawaz on the problems he sees from that section of the left. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 7.38am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 May 17 7.37am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's funny because you hear the expression,'It's only because they are Muslims' all the time but the sad irony is that some are prepared to tolerate the intolerable 'because they are Muslims'.

Moderate Islam is full of bad ideas. In this sense it's no different to many other religions but I think from a western perceptive it ticks most of the problem areas.

Recommended female dress...while strictly not mandated by Islam is encouraged by most interpretations of it...What I find particularly offensive is the idea that women should 'dress modestly'.

It's an implicit insult to the women who don't.

As for the ideological..some say 'progressive' left and their hypocrisy on this matter. Well, you only have to listen to Islamic reformers like Nawaz to hear how much harder they make his already very difficult job.

More thoughts from Nawaz on the problems he sees from that section of the left.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 7.38am)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 May 17 10.21am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It is a disgraceful practice regardless of who does it and should be eradicated in this country at least. It is typical of such a subject that people are more interested in discussing the politics of it than actually doing something about it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2017 12.50pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2017 12.51pm) Its interesting that people have only become interested in this, since they decided on blaming everything on Immigrants and Muslims was the way forward. It'll never happen, because it will directly infringe the legal rights of religious citizens of the UK under the Equality Act (2004) that classified religious groups as protected from discriminatory practices and orders. Its just another thing for the popularist bandwagon jumpers out there to look like they're in touch. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 16 May 17 10.21am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2017 12.50pm)

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2017 12.51pm)

Its interesting that people have only become interested in this, since they decided on blaming everything on Immigrants and Muslims was the way forward.

It'll never happen, because it will directly infringe the legal rights of religious citizens of the UK under the Equality Act (2004) that classified religious groups as protected from discriminatory practices and orders.

Its just another thing for the popularist bandwagon jumpers out there to look like they're in touch.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 May 17 10.25am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Moderate Islam is full of bad ideas. In this sense it's no different to many other religions but I think from a western perceptive it ticks most of the problem areas. All of the monotheistic faiths are full of really bad ideas, especially where women and the non-religious are concerned. Islam is just more highlighted. Ideally, rather than focus on one because its unpopularity makes it a convenient popularist bandwagon - Lets just go with all of them. Christian, Muslim, Jewish and Hindu - all of these are effectively belief systems that effectively reward second class status and gender inferiority to women. In for a penny, in for a pound - Lets just sweep the decks of bulls**t misogyny. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 16 May 17 10.25am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Moderate Islam is full of bad ideas. In this sense it's no different to many other religions but I think from a western perceptive it ticks most of the problem areas.

All of the monotheistic faiths are full of really bad ideas, especially where women and the non-religious are concerned. Islam is just more highlighted. Ideally, rather than focus on one because its unpopularity makes it a convenient popularist bandwagon - Lets just go with all of them.

Christian, Muslim, Jewish and Hindu - all of these are effectively belief systems that effectively reward second class status and gender inferiority to women.

In for a penny, in for a pound - Lets just sweep the decks of bulls**t misogyny.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 May 17 10.33am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Its interesting that people have only become interested in this, since they decided on blaming everything on Immigrants and Muslims was the way forward. It'll never happen, because it will directly infringe the legal rights of religious citizens of the UK under the Equality Act (2004) that classified religious groups as protected from discriminatory practices and orders. Its just another thing for the popularist bandwagon jumpers out there to look like they're in touch. That's just nonsense. Are you saying you are fine with these sort of practices? I'd say that people got bothered by these things when they found out about them and they found out about them when Islam and various other bizarre cultural habits suddenly became our problem. I also have a problem with boiling dogs alive in China and that is because I now know about it. And If I get another undeserved Yellow card, I'm done. A quick look at who gets the cards on this site reveals an interesting pattern.
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16 May 17 10.33am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its interesting that people have only become interested in this, since they decided on blaming everything on Immigrants and Muslims was the way forward.

Its just another thing for the popularist bandwagon jumpers out there to look like they're in touch.

That's just nonsense.
Are you saying you are fine with these sort of practices?
I'd say that people got bothered by these things when they found out about them and they found out about them when Islam and various other bizarre cultural habits suddenly became our problem.
I also have a problem with boiling dogs alive in China and that is because I now know about it.

And If I get another undeserved Yellow card, I'm done.
A quick look at who gets the cards on this site reveals an interesting pattern.

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Kermit8 Hevon 16 May 17 11.35am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That's just nonsense. Are you saying you are fine with these sort of practices? I'd say that people got bothered by these things when they found out about them and they found out about them when Islam and various other bizarre cultural habits suddenly became our problem. I also have a problem with boiling dogs alive in China and that is because I now know about it. And If I get another undeserved Yellow card, I'm done. A quick look at who gets the cards on this site reveals an interesting pattern. I know. It's disgraceful. I've had five. When i've reached 15 i'm done too. You and me Hrolf - off into the sunset on the far horizon hand in hand. Sulking. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 16 May 17 11.35am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And If I get another undeserved Yellow card, I'm done.
A quick look at who gets the cards on this site reveals an interesting pattern.

I know. It's disgraceful. I've had five. When i've reached 15 i'm done too. You and me Hrolf - off into the sunset on the far horizon hand in hand. Sulking.

Big chest and massive boobs

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