Why do you constantly repeat the same argument?

Saying things over and over again won't wear any of us down or change our opinion of Moss or Clattenburg.

I am a qualified referee and have a very close friend that is also fully qualified. Both of us agree that Moss and Clattenburg are inconsistent in the way they apply the laws. Both have ego problems although Moss' is to a lesser degree, but he has fitness issues and regularly makes decisions from too far away from the incident and appears to guess.

Please don't respond with the same tired arguments and mantras that you usually resort to.

My father taught me that it was noble to stick to your guns, but when everyone else disagrees with you, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your position and rethink it.

You are so out of touch on this matter as you have painted yourself into a corner and your credibility is less than zero.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (08 Oct 2016 11.30am)

How do you know that then mate,seriously? Ive been kicked in the head on quite a few occasions challenging for a loose ball and while I had my nose broken twice ive also got up plenty of times without a scratch on me. Just because you think you know doesn't mean you do. Jagielka actually snaps his head back himself at the same time he puts his hands up,its a natural reflex in that situation.How do you unequivocally know that standing in the same position as Moss it wouldn't have looked like Delaneys foot caught Jagielka when he pulled his head back? You f@cking don't,just like all the others on here swinging their dicks about.Willo may well be wrong about Clattenburg but this particular argument has nothing to do with that does it.Willo is imo one of the few who understands that this incident is open to interpretation.The high % of Everton fans will say he got it right until a similar situation costs them,and guess what a similar proportion of Palace fans are screaming foul play.Surprising,hardly.As I said before,unless Moss comes out and explains the reasons for his decision making then its just pure conjecture on what he got wrong and why.

Why do you constantly repeat the same argument?

Saying things over and over again won't wear any of us down or change our opinion of Moss or Clattenburg.

I am a qualified referee and have a very close friend that is also fully qualified. Both of us agree that Moss and Clattenburg are inconsistent in the way they apply the laws. Both have ego problems although Moss' is to a lesser degree, but he has fitness issues and regularly makes decisions from too far away from the incident and appears to guess.

Please don't respond with the same tired arguments and mantras that you usually resort to.

My father taught me that it was noble to stick to your guns, but when everyone else disagrees with you, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your position and rethink it.

You are so out of touch on this matter as you have painted yourself into a corner and your credibility is less than zero.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (08 Oct 2016 11.30am)

Everyone's a referee (yawn) which means that we all understand the laws, their application and the stresses of the game - with abuse hurled from all directions. The problem is that any errors you made when reffing little Mark in the U8's don't readily antagonise huge swathes of people and potentially have financial repercussions.
I get that mistakes are made, vision is impaired etc BUT for top flight refs - like your b/f or Mr Moss - to be consistently inconsistent and then with a general perception of favouritism towards the bigger teams - it does seem to go beyond one team moaning. And, going full circle, that is why there needs to be technology and proper examination of performance with meaningful punishment. Hit them in the pocket with a proper review - you'll be surprised how quickly they'll improve.

I get that but I don't see any significant penalties imposed. Whilst I wanted Mr Moss benched for a while - due to a number of errors in that match - I do think that consistent underperformance should incur proper financial penalties. I think we all agree that there are too many errors - you feel that's normal and human whereas I think some of it is more cynical and should be adddresed more robustly or technology used.
I suspect we will never agree on this, so I will gracefully bow out of the discussion and, ironically and you may find somewhat amusingly, get ready to go and ref a game!

We're not talking about bullying or the need for talk of playground violence here.

All I am saying to Willo and anyone else for that matter, that there is no point repeating an argument over and over again in pursuit of "winning" an argument.

There comes a point in every debate where it is futile to carry on because of entrenchment.

I believe we reached that point days ago on this thread.