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JohnyBoy 01 May 16 7.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Johny Boy - 250 thousand people working at Costa Coffee do not make them net contributors to the economy. Disagree with respect. The UK unemployment rate is at 5.4% below what economists call the natural rate i.e. we are at or near full employment on any historical measure. There are plenty of jobs for those willing to work although i would (perhaps this is a different issue) like to see the living wage rise and the raising of the tax threshold has helped lower income families.
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JohnyBoy 01 May 16 7.11pm | |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
An entirely non-exhaustive list of reason: 1) Peace. Increasing cultural, economic and political ties with fellow EU states has helped secure the longest peace time in Europe since the Roman Empire. It would be folly to understate the role the EU has played in maintaining peace on the 100th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme where no few than 60,000 British men on the first day were marched to their death. 2) Economic success. Millions of jobs directly reliant on free trade with the EU. Talk of trade deals with around the world are not likely and will take time even if they do happen. 3) Cheaper costs - no roaming charges for phones coming in soon, cheaper imports, cheaper labourers (admitedly at the expense of some people - but what doesn't have winners and losers?). 4) Increased global influence and sway. Does anyone really think in 100, 50 or even 10 years any of the future world powers would listen to us without the considerable sway we hold within Europe? The largest common market in the world. When America, China and India walk to us it is largely because we are a leading member of the EU, not because we are aging Britain. 5) Fiscal contribution made by immigrants - blame government for poor planning not migrants coming here to work hard and get on. 6) Financial markets. Upon leaving, perceived riskiness of UK government debt will rise and so will the interest we pay on it - for any economists out there this just means higher taxes in the future (Ricardian Equivalence).
I am not saying the EU is faultless and certain groups haven't lost out by being a member. When you stand in the booth to place your vote, think will I be better or worse off for Britain remaining or leaving? What about my children and their children after them? There can be only one sensible answer. Remain.
Well said young man, ....
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 May 16 7.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Brexit = Messing up the economy thus affecting our own citizens as well as limiting our kids futures. It also increases the chances of future conflict and will mean putting up barriers so again stifling the next generations. For what? Some delusional sense of empowerment and pursuit of a victory most pyrrhic. That's what our fellow Nigel Palace fan stands for. The more enlightened Brexiters realise that leaving is going to have a negative impact immediately but they really don't seem to care. Nige is one of them. Theirs is more a warped and destructive nationalistic agenda in the guise of patriotism and identity and freedom. At the end of the day they just don't like being part of Europe whether or not it has generally been good for us bigger picture scenario. And it has. In spades.
Messing up the economy ? It is messed up now. And who has information to predict such a downturn? Answer, no one. Stifling the next generation? The next generation will be mainly ethnic and Eastern European if we keep going down the road we are on and most will be on low wages ans still living at home at 30. Vote BREXIT>
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big_palace_fan 01 May 16 7.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Messing up the economy ? It is messed up now. And who has information to predict such a downturn? Answer, no one. Stifling the next generation? The next generation will be mainly ethnic and Eastern European if we keep going down the road we are on and most will be on low wages ans still living at home at 30. Vote BREXIT> Please keep posting. You're doing more good for the Remain camp than you are for Brexit through your utter drivel and illogically thought through views. Also FYI, the biggest risk to your personal safety is (touch wood) almost certainly not terrorism. Personal diet / habits such as alcohol, air quality (check the facts for yourself [Link] a sudden stroke, a heart attack, getting hit fatally by a car are all far more likely occurances than being victim of a terrorist attack. I sincerely hope nope of these tragic events happen to you (were are all human and Palace fans at the end of the day regardless of views of Brexit).
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 May 16 8.28pm | |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Please keep posting. You're doing more good for the Remain camp than you are for Brexit through your utter drivel and illogically thought through views. Also FYI, the biggest risk to your personal safety is (touch wood) almost certainly not terrorism. Personal diet / habits such as alcohol, air quality (check the facts for yourself [Link] a sudden stroke, a heart attack, getting hit fatally by a car are all far more likely occurances than being victim of a terrorist attack. I sincerely hope nope of these tragic events happen to you (were are all human and Palace fans at the end of the day regardless of views of Brexit). Thanks. That's the best laugh I had all day. You were actually being serious weren't you.
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big_palace_fan 01 May 16 8.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Thanks. That's the best laugh I had all day. You were actually being serious weren't you. Wholly serious. What do you consider the greatest threats to your life?
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 May 16 9.14pm | |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Wholly serious. What do you consider the greatest threats to your life? I was replying to a comment about increased risk of conflict not about this months edition of Men's health. Stop it please.
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rikz Croydon 01 May 16 9.53pm | |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
An entirely non-exhaustive list of reason: 1) Peace. Increasing cultural, economic and political ties with fellow EU states has helped secure the longest peace time in Europe since the Roman Empire. It would be folly to understate the role the EU has played in maintaining peace on the 100th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme where no few than 60,000 British men on the first day were marched to their death. 2) Economic success. Millions of jobs directly reliant on free trade with the EU. Talk of trade deals with around the world are not likely and will take time even if they do happen. 3) Cheaper costs - no roaming charges for phones coming in soon, cheaper imports, cheaper labourers (admitedly at the expense of some people - but what doesn't have winners and losers?). 4) Increased global influence and sway. Does anyone really think in 100, 50 or even 10 years any of the future world powers would listen to us without the considerable sway we hold within Europe? The largest common market in the world. When America, China and India walk to us it is largely because we are a leading member of the EU, not because we are aging Britain. 5) Fiscal contribution made by immigrants - blame government for poor planning not migrants coming here to work hard and get on. 6) Financial markets. Upon leaving, perceived riskiness of UK government debt will rise and so will the interest we pay on it - for any economists out there this just means higher taxes in the future (Ricardian Equivalence).
I am not saying the EU is faultless and certain groups haven't lost out by being a member. When you stand in the booth to place your vote, think will I be better or worse off for Britain remaining or leaving? What about my children and their children after them? There can be only one sensible answer. Remain.
Be quite you idiot with your pro EU propaganda, peace has absolutely nothing to do with the eu, think your mixing the eu with nato
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JohnyBoy 02 May 16 6.31am | |
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Originally posted by rikz
Be quite you idiot with your pro EU propaganda, peace has absolutely nothing to do with the eu, think your mixing the eu with nato The nobel peace prize for 2012 was awarded to the eu "for over 6 decades the eu has contributed to the advancement of peace and reconciliation, democracy and human rights in Europe'
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Hoof Hearted 02 May 16 9.53am | |
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Another set back for the remain camp today with Nicola Sturgeon (aka wee jimmy crankie) coming out with the news that SNP will be pushing for another Scotland Independence referendum very soon, despite the last one in 2014 being a "once in a lifetime opportunity!" So we now have the following Remain camp leading campaigners and their personal history of lies and hypocrisy about the EU... Corbyn - has campaigned for over 40 years for UK exit of EU on the basis of it's bloated bureaucracy and wasteful expenditure. Sturgeon - Her and the SNP's raison d'etre is just independence for Scotland - any other campaigning is just a means to achieving their ultimate goal. Cameron - until he called the referendum he was absolutely against the direction in which the EU is headed and his outburst at being presented with a £1.8 Billion surcharge because our economy was doing better than other member states infuriated him. Osborne - same reasons as Cameron. Major - to be fair he has always been in favour of the EU, but he also campaigned for us to ditch the pound in favour of the Euro and used the same arguments then that he's using now despite the failure of the Euro compared to the strength of Sterling and his own experience of the ERM and all the financial sh1tstorm that caused. Blair - He probably sees some financial angle that will benefit him personally and swell his coffers. His support for any campaign should make anyone steer clear of it. Obama - None of his business really, but since he's stuck his nib in, I would remind you all what a failure as a President he has been despite all the promise and fanfares when he was inaugurated with plans to reform USA and achieved nothing. Hollande/Merkel - they just want the status quo to continue and keep things sweet for their own economies and major industries like Farming and Car Manufacturing which does well out of us and the EU for subsidies.
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Hoof Hearted 02 May 16 10.01am | |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
The nobel peace prize for 2012 was awarded to the eu "for over 6 decades the eu has contributed to the advancement of peace and reconciliation, democracy and human rights in Europe' No it wasn't... it was called the Common Market when it was created and was just a trading agreement to benefit the largest economic nations in Europe. There was no talk of political or economic union. The last referendum in the UK in 1975 was on the basis of a trade agreement with Europe only. The public were misled. Nato and the United Nations have done more for peace in Europe than the EU.
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big_palace_fan 02 May 16 10.27am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
No it wasn't... it was called the Common Market when it was created and was just a trading agreement to benefit the largest economic nations in Europe. There was no talk of political or economic union. The last referendum in the UK in 1975 was on the basis of a trade agreement with Europe only. The public were misled. Nato and the United Nations have done more for peace in Europe than the EU. And what was the aim of the common market - amongst other things to integrate trade between major European nations so they rely on each other, because more assimilated and hence don't war.
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