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leggedstruggle  Croydon 23 Jul 15 8.06pm |
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If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No. You just said they lost because they were too Tory! Please try harder, and also try reading what is actually written. It is a great aid to debate. A quote from your post above: the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite.
Why do you think people who usually vote Labour did not at the General Election? Because even they are waking up to the fact that Labour are a bunch of jokers who have totally trashed this once great country. Not just Labour to blame, Tories, Liberals, BNP, TUSC, Greens, Monster Raving Looneys, SNP, Sein Fein, the media, various 'rights' organisations, teachers for sure, priests of all descriptions, the FA, Dancing on Ice, meerkats, cyclists, eco-warriors. (Sure there are loads more, but these are the first to come to mind.)
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 fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 23 Jul 15 8.14pm |
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If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No. You just said they lost because they were too Tory! Please try harder, and also try reading what is actually written. It is a great aid to debate. A quote from your post above: the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite.
Why do you think people who usually vote Labour did not at the General Election? Because even they are waking up to the fact that Labour are a bunch of jokers who have totally trashed this once great country. Not just Labour to blame, Tories, Liberals, BNP, TUSC, Greens, Monster Raving Looneys, SNP, Sein Fein, the media, various 'rights' organisations, teachers for sure, priests of all descriptions, the FA, Dancing on Ice, meerkats, cyclists, eco-warriors. (Sure there are loads more, but these are the first to come to mind.)
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| Stuk Top half 24 Jul 15 1.20pm |
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How does Ken the c*** work out that voting Corbyn for leader might gain some Conservative voters? I bet Corbyn loved being compared to Nigel Farage too.
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| OldFella London 24 Jul 15 2.59pm |
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Quote fed up eagle at 23 Jul 2015 7.40pm
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jul 2015 12.01pm
If Labour had won the Scottish seats, no one would have won the election.
The Conservatives won an electable majority on their own to govern. Giving Labour another 51 seats would change nothing. Opps quite right - I misread the number. I thought the difference was a lot closer. 12 seats above the majority, not by 12 seats. Sorry.
I was a lot closer. Tories 37% of the vote Labour 31%. Hardly a landside Considering the fact that if they hadn't existed that most of Ukip's votes would have gone to the Tories....the underlying tale is that this was a massive rejection of Labour at a time where the working class isn't doing that well.
Your second point is undoubtedly true. My point was that there is all to play for if only Labour can elect a leader and re-find its identity as something other than nice-tories I think you are spot-on, the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite. The present leadership battle is interesting because there seems to be such a disconnect between the MPs and the wider party members, who a clearly agitating for a move back to the left. I would also add that blairs speech the other day has only increased support for Corbyn. So these Labour voters did not vote Labour because they were not left wing enough, then voted for a right wing UKIP party? No. You just said they lost because they were too Tory! Please try harder, and also try reading what is actually written. It is a great aid to debate. A quote from your post above: the faliure of Labour at the GE was mainly due to it's attempts to paint itself as tory-lite.
Why do you think people who usually vote Labour did not at the General Election? Because even they are waking up to the fact that Labour are a bunch of jokers who have totally trashed this once great country. Is the correct answer Now a choice of Burnham, Cooper, Corbyn or Kendall? Political pygmies. You deficit denying, sore loser lefties must be very proud
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 26 Jul 15 1.23pm |
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Vegetarian, teetotal, Comrade Corbyn of the Peoples' Republic of Islington on the Andrew Marr show today: "Marx obviously analysed what was happening in a quite brilliant way. The philosophy around Marx is absolutely fascinating." "Does it all apply now? Well obviously philosophy applies at all times." When asked if he was a Marxist: You would have thought someone would know whether they were a Marxist or not - especially a politician. Edited by leggedstruggle (26 Jul 2015 6.41pm)
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 26 Jul 15 8.17pm |
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If Comrade Corbyn became premier of the Peoples' Republic of Britain, he would be the first Prime Minister with a beard since Lord Salisbury who left office in 1902. The electorate do not seem to like hirsute leaders - what is lurking behind the whiskers? If he represented 'ackney it might explain it, but he is MP for the toiling middle class masses of next door Islington.
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| legaleagle 26 Jul 15 9.02pm |
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Should the the hirsute King George V therefore come under retrospective suspicion as a possible Comintern "sleeper" agent? You never know what might have been lurking behind the whiskers
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jul 15 9.40pm |
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Quote OldFella at 24 Jul 2015 2.59pm
Is the correct answer Now a choice of Burnham, Cooper, Corbyn or Kendall? Political pygmies. You deficit denying, sore loser lefties must be very proud Corbyn is hardy much of 'comeback' representative for the far left. But at least they are getting a 'look in' again with the Labour party...Some kind of representation chance with the leadership.......And to be honest Corbyn represents the grass roots much more than those other three cardboard cut outs. The leadership should reflect the grass roots and feck the spin doctors and their 'best chance of winning'.....People want conviction politicians who actually believe in things. Ukip is probably the nearist Tories get to their grass roots.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 27 Jul 15 12.45am |
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Quote leggedstruggle at 26 Jul 2015 1.23pm
Vegetarian, teetotal, Comrade Corbyn of the Peoples' Republic of Islington on the Andrew Marr show today: "Marx obviously analysed what was happening in a quite brilliant way. The philosophy around Marx is absolutely fascinating." "Does it all apply now? Well obviously philosophy applies at all times." When asked if he was a Marxist: You would have thought someone would know whether they were a Marxist or not - especially a politician. Edited by leggedstruggle (26 Jul 2015 6.41pm)
Take that whole Hezbollah/Hamas crap. It was very clear what Corbyn was trying to say, but the press thought they could decontextualise the quote and label him a nutter. In an age of instant public information though, this proved futile: people watched the clip, heard Corbyn's defence and realised it was a storm in a teacup. This post by Derb...ed struggle perfectly encapsulates that. What does him being a veggie matter? Or the fact that he's teetotal? These are legitimate life choices many take, and using them insultingly is to play in to the hackneyed politics which Corbyn himself represents a departure from. Even the allusion of his Marxist roots is ludicrous: he was asked whether he was a Marxist, considered it and gave an interesting answer suggesting that he is influenced by elements of Marx, who is an incredibly respected social historian and political analyst. Listening to a politician discuss issues like that, personally was such a breathe of fresh air from the typical anti-intellectual soundbite discussion usually served up. For the record I disagree with Corbyn on a couple of fundamental points, but as someone who believes that worker co-operation in the face of capital and a coherent defence of the welfare state are needed now more than at any stage in post-war Britain, I'm fully supportive of him. I'm not going to type #Jezwecan, because I'm not a prick, but nonetheless, good luck to him. Edited by serial thriller (27 Jul 2015 12.46am)
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 27 Jul 15 8.33am |
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Vegetarian, teetotal, Comrade Corbyn of the Peoples' Republic of Islington on the Andrew Marr show today: "Marx obviously analysed what was happening in a quite brilliant way. The philosophy around Marx is absolutely fascinating." "Does it all apply now? Well obviously philosophy applies at all times." When asked if he was a Marxist: You would have thought someone would know whether they were a Marxist or not - especially a politician. Edited by leggedstruggle (26 Jul 2015 6.41pm)
Take that whole Hezbollah/Hamas crap. It was very clear what Corbyn was trying to say, but the press thought they could decontextualise the quote and label him a nutter. In an age of instant public information though, this proved futile: people watched the clip, heard Corbyn's defence and realised it was a storm in a teacup. This post by Derb...ed struggle perfectly encapsulates that. What does him being a veggie matter? Or the fact that he's teetotal? These are legitimate life choices many take, and using them insultingly is to play in to the hackneyed politics which Corbyn himself represents a departure from. Even the allusion of his Marxist roots is ludicrous: he was asked whether he was a Marxist, considered it and gave an interesting answer suggesting that he is influenced by elements of Marx, who is an incredibly respected social historian and political analyst. Listening to a politician discuss issues like that, personally was such a breathe of fresh air from the typical anti-intellectual soundbite discussion usually served up. For the record I disagree with Corbyn on a couple of fundamental points, but as someone who believes that worker co-operation in the face of capital and a coherent defence of the welfare state are needed now more than at any stage in post-war Britain, I'm fully supportive of him. I'm not going to type #Jezwecan, because I'm not a prick, but nonetheless, good luck to him. Edited by serial thriller (27 Jul 2015 12.46am) Don't you mean totally discredited peddler of dangerous economic nonsense. You think the public will be fooled enough to elect someone who views are the same as those Communist regimes that have visited catastrophic misery on the very people they were supposed to champion. I salute your restraint in not typing something because you are not a prick! Edited by leggedstruggle (27 Jul 2015 8.36am)
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| legaleagle 27 Jul 15 9.39am |
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To say Corbyn is a believer in the same things as say Stalin is similar to saying Derb, sorry legged struggle, has views akin to Mussolini or Hitler... Trite tripe.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 27 Jul 15 9.48am |
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Quote legaleagle at 27 Jul 2015 9.39am
To say Corbyn is a believer in the same things as say Stalin is similar to saying Derb, sorry legged struggle, has views akin to Mussolini or Hitler... Trite tripe. Stalin believed in the nationalisation of all major industries - so does Corbyn.
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