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Quote TheJudge at 16 Jun 2015 1.40pm
I will accept that some are not keen on the God delusion but aside from the book reviews, Dawkins' message is clear and constant. Religion is not the answer and never will be. Its certainly not scientific or rational to do that, particularly, of course it also doesn't really matter unless you take a fundamentalist approach where god creates man and the universe, and the earth literally (rather than figuratively). There is room for evolution and faith, similarly Big Bang and faith, if your faith is based in a spiritual relationship with god, rather than demanding that the bible is 'the literal' truth of the world. Genesis is a creation myth, passed down through generations of the tribes of Israel until they could write it down. And even then, its the old testament, so its largely irrelevant, as the bit that relates to being a Christian begins with the New Testament anyhow.
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I don't want to upset Superfly again so I will just have you imagine me sitting in front of my laptop with a " I'm glad he doesn't live next door to me" look on my face.
Judge, you can pretty much say what you like but you can't insult other users. Have a read through the forum rules if you need clarification. Apologies Superfly. There is a fine line and I will endeavor not to cross it again Fixed. #banter
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Quote TheJudge at 16 Jun 2015 8.59am
I don't want to upset Superfly again so I will just have you imagine me sitting in front of my laptop with a " I'm glad he doesn't live next door to me" look on my face.
Judge, you can pretty much say what you like but you can't insult other users. Have a read through the forum rules if you need clarification. Apologies Superfly. There is a fine line and I will endeavor not to cross it again Fixed. #banter
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LOL sadly for you I live it, I spend all my days when I am not working trying to help other people and significant amounts of my money. You see its not a club, its a way of life. I think the thing that irritates you the most is I don't fit into your close minded and prejudiced view of what a Christian is. I will pray for you, not least for a sense of humour. Lighten up man, you seem so angry at everything.
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LOL sadly for you I live it, I spend all my days when I am not working trying to help other people and significant amounts of my money. You see its not a club, its a way of life. I think the thing that irritates you the most is I don't fit into your close minded and prejudiced view of what a Christian is. I will pray for you, not least for a sense of humour. Lighten up man, you seem so angry at everything.
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Quote TheJudge at 16 Jun 2015 1.40pm
I will accept that some are not keen on the God delusion but aside from the book reviews, Dawkins' message is clear and constant. Religion is not the answer and never will be. Its certainly not scientific or rational to do that, particularly, of course it also doesn't really matter unless you take a fundamentalist approach where god creates man and the universe, and the earth literally (rather than figuratively). There is room for evolution and faith, similarly Big Bang and faith, if your faith is based in a spiritual relationship with god, rather than demanding that the bible is 'the literal' truth of the world. Genesis is a creation myth, passed down through generations of the tribes of Israel until they could write it down. And even then, its the old testament, so its largely irrelevant, as the bit that relates to being a Christian begins with the New Testament anyhow. Hang on. Spiritual relationship with God ? What does that actually mean ? It is a lot of mumbo jumbo. Anyone else who claimed to hear voices or such like who was not under the auspices of religion would probably be sectioned.
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LOL sadly for you I live it, I spend all my days when I am not working trying to help other people and significant amounts of my money. You see its not a club, its a way of life. I think the thing that irritates you the most is I don't fit into your close minded and prejudiced view of what a Christian is. I will pray for you, not least for a sense of humour. Lighten up man, you seem so angry at everything.
Edited by TheJudge (17 Jun 2015 8.51am) Anyone can, but very few are. I personally know 00s of people who live their life in this way. Why? Because they believe that its what they are called to do as Christians. What do you do Judge? You seem to be on a moral mountain top most of the time, I am intrigued what got you there?
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LOL sadly for you I live it, I spend all my days when I am not working trying to help other people and significant amounts of my money. You see its not a club, its a way of life. I think the thing that irritates you the most is I don't fit into your close minded and prejudiced view of what a Christian is. I will pray for you, not least for a sense of humour. Lighten up man, you seem so angry at everything.
Edited by TheJudge (17 Jun 2015 8.51am) Dawkins would be incorrect, except on a genetic level (however we cannot presume that genetics defines all behavior and genes are sentient), as such degrees of altruism exist and what is more the case is that people who don't believe resort to rhetoric and abstraction of the individual, in order to demonstrate this. Its a move the goal posts argument, similar to that used in religion, by saying god creates evolution or the big bang, its hiding in the semantic limitations of proof (ie that you can neither truly prove or disprove something). Granted no act is truly selfless, as existence is experienced existentially, so it must tie back to the individual making the action, but that doesn't distract from the fact that its more selfless than selfish (and we shouldn't mistake selfish for egocentric either, a selfish act is not immoral, unless it is committed egocentrically).
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Quote TheJudge at 16 Jun 2015 1.40pm
I will accept that some are not keen on the God delusion but aside from the book reviews, Dawkins' message is clear and constant. Religion is not the answer and never will be. Its certainly not scientific or rational to do that, particularly, of course it also doesn't really matter unless you take a fundamentalist approach where god creates man and the universe, and the earth literally (rather than figuratively). There is room for evolution and faith, similarly Big Bang and faith, if your faith is based in a spiritual relationship with god, rather than demanding that the bible is 'the literal' truth of the world. Genesis is a creation myth, passed down through generations of the tribes of Israel until they could write it down. And even then, its the old testament, so its largely irrelevant, as the bit that relates to being a Christian begins with the New Testament anyhow. Hang on. Spiritual relationship with God ? What does that actually mean ? It is a lot of mumbo jumbo. Anyone else who claimed to hear voices or such like who was not under the auspices of religion would probably be sectioned. Hearing voices won't get you sectioned, unless its detrimental to your capacity to function in society (ie schizophrenia). It means 'your personal involvement with the tennets of your beliefs and how you embody them. The whole basis of Christianity is Christ, the old testament effectively borrowed from Judaism. Whether something is true or not, isn't as important as what it means to you, and how you react to it. A work of fiction or art can be powerful effector, despite being a construct. I don't really believe in religion or god, as most people would put it, I do reserve the capacity though that the phenomena of experience, and religious experience, is real, and may relate to something greater or unknown, possibly even beyond natural, because I am someone who treasures science, I don't hold with the idea that even something that is improbable, could be real, and rank it accordingly. There is more to consciousness than just the physical reactions of neurons, and chemicals responding to stimuli, hence the rise of phenomenology and qualitative methodologies in science, alongside the quantitative lab studies.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jun 2015 9.39am
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Quote TheJudge at 16 Jun 2015 1.40pm
I will accept that some are not keen on the God delusion but aside from the book reviews, Dawkins' message is clear and constant. Religion is not the answer and never will be. Its certainly not scientific or rational to do that, particularly, of course it also doesn't really matter unless you take a fundamentalist approach where god creates man and the universe, and the earth literally (rather than figuratively). There is room for evolution and faith, similarly Big Bang and faith, if your faith is based in a spiritual relationship with god, rather than demanding that the bible is 'the literal' truth of the world. Genesis is a creation myth, passed down through generations of the tribes of Israel until they could write it down. And even then, its the old testament, so its largely irrelevant, as the bit that relates to being a Christian begins with the New Testament anyhow. Hang on. Spiritual relationship with God ? What does that actually mean ? It is a lot of mumbo jumbo. Anyone else who claimed to hear voices or such like who was not under the auspices of religion would probably be sectioned. Hearing voices won't get you sectioned, unless its detrimental to your capacity to function in society (ie schizophrenia). It means 'your personal involvement with the tennets of your beliefs and how you embody them. The whole basis of Christianity is Christ, the old testament effectively borrowed from Judaism. Whether something is true or not, isn't as important as what it means to you, and how you react to it. A work of fiction or art can be powerful effector, despite being a construct. I don't really believe in religion or god, as most people would put it, I do reserve the capacity though that the phenomena of experience, and religious experience, is real, and may relate to something greater or unknown, possibly even beyond natural, because I am someone who treasures science, I don't hold with the idea that even something that is improbable, could be real, and rank it accordingly. There is more to consciousness than just the physical reactions of neurons, and chemicals responding to stimuli, hence the rise of phenomenology and qualitative methodologies in science, alongside the quantitative lab studies. Yet you believe in extra dimensions.
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Quote TheJudge at 17 Jun 2015 8.49am
Quote reborn at 17 Jun 2015 8.36am
LOL sadly for you I live it, I spend all my days when I am not working trying to help other people and significant amounts of my money. You see its not a club, its a way of life. I think the thing that irritates you the most is I don't fit into your close minded and prejudiced view of what a Christian is. I will pray for you, not least for a sense of humour. Lighten up man, you seem so angry at everything.
Edited by TheJudge (17 Jun 2015 8.51am) Anyone can, but very few are. I personally know 00s of people who live their life in this way. Why? Because they believe that its what they are called to do as Christians. What do you do Judge? You seem to be on a moral mountain top most of the time, I am intrigued what got you there? I don't think charity has too much to do with Christianity, these days, but the idea of charitable acts in society really does spring from the influence of Christianity and alms. Certainly I'm sure people before were charitable, but the idea that of it being something that is good in its own right, certainly stems from the influence of the Catholic church.
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Quote derben at 17 Jun 2015 9.42am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jun 2015 9.39am
Quote TheJudge at 17 Jun 2015 9.09am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Jun 2015 4.01pm
Quote TheJudge at 16 Jun 2015 1.40pm
I will accept that some are not keen on the God delusion but aside from the book reviews, Dawkins' message is clear and constant. Religion is not the answer and never will be. Its certainly not scientific or rational to do that, particularly, of course it also doesn't really matter unless you take a fundamentalist approach where god creates man and the universe, and the earth literally (rather than figuratively). There is room for evolution and faith, similarly Big Bang and faith, if your faith is based in a spiritual relationship with god, rather than demanding that the bible is 'the literal' truth of the world. Genesis is a creation myth, passed down through generations of the tribes of Israel until they could write it down. And even then, its the old testament, so its largely irrelevant, as the bit that relates to being a Christian begins with the New Testament anyhow. Hang on. Spiritual relationship with God ? What does that actually mean ? It is a lot of mumbo jumbo. Anyone else who claimed to hear voices or such like who was not under the auspices of religion would probably be sectioned. Hearing voices won't get you sectioned, unless its detrimental to your capacity to function in society (ie schizophrenia). It means 'your personal involvement with the tennets of your beliefs and how you embody them. The whole basis of Christianity is Christ, the old testament effectively borrowed from Judaism. Whether something is true or not, isn't as important as what it means to you, and how you react to it. A work of fiction or art can be powerful effector, despite being a construct. I don't really believe in religion or god, as most people would put it, I do reserve the capacity though that the phenomena of experience, and religious experience, is real, and may relate to something greater or unknown, possibly even beyond natural, because I am someone who treasures science, I don't hold with the idea that even something that is improbable, could be real, and rank it accordingly. There is more to consciousness than just the physical reactions of neurons, and chemicals responding to stimuli, hence the rise of phenomenology and qualitative methodologies in science, alongside the quantitative lab studies. Yet you believe in extra dimensions. Sorry that's a mistype - It should be that something improbable can be real, its just less likely an answer. As for dimensions, quantum theory and quantum field theory throw up a lot of evidence for higher dimension, most notably the proton entanglement and the manner in which quantum particles operate. Plus there is the mathematical evidence of topology. As such its highly probable, and the best solution to a phenomena available, so scientifically, that is acceptable (the evidence is a better fit, based on what is known). Of course, it could be something else, and as a scientist, I reserve the right to be persuaded, based on the evidence. So if you have evidence that explains quantum entanglement, I'm open minded enough to accept it.
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