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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Apr 15 5.04pm

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Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm

Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset.

Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS.

The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008.

Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff.

Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified.

My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves!

Of course, certain posters will dismiss this.

More here... [Link]


What is the 'A & E crisis'? Please explain.

Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them?

Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure?

Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda?

I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses.

I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff.

I take it that you haven't responded to me because 'I do not get it' or because 'you cannot debate with matt_himself' but I find it pathetic that you shy away from this.

You have said that the NHS is in crisis but have not provided any substantive evidence to back this up.

I would urge you to back up your opinions.

Or because I've been at work. I find it astonishing that you think what the head of the BMA has said isn't evidence.
As I've said before, you would dispute that the sky is blue simply because I've said it. Pathetic, immature and shows everyone what you are truly like. Tosser


Edited by nickgusset (14 Apr 2015 5.05pm)

 

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imbored Flag UK 14 Apr 15 5.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 14 Apr 2015 5.04pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 4.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 7.01am

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm

Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset.

Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS.

The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008.

Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff.

Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified.

My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves!

Of course, certain posters will dismiss this.

More here... [Link]


What is the 'A & E crisis'? Please explain.

Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them?

Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure?

Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda?

I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses.

I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff.

I take it that you haven't responded to me because 'I do not get it' or because 'you cannot debate with matt_himself' but I find it pathetic that you shy away from this.

You have said that the NHS is in crisis but have not provided any substantive evidence to back this up.

I would urge you to back up your opinions.

Or because I've been at work. I find it astonishing that you think what the head of the BMA has said isn't evidence.
As I've said before, you would dispute that the sky is blue simply because I've said it. Pathetic, immature and shows everyone what you are truly like. Tosser


Edited by nickgusset (14 Apr 2015 5.05pm)


He's not genuinely interested in anything you have to say. He just gets a thrill out of arguing with you. You're wasting substantial amount of time repeating this process. Just stop talking to him. It'll benefit your health and we won't all have to read these run ins across every thread going .


Edited by imbored (14 Apr 2015 5.41pm)

 

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According to not just the Tories but also most of the supposedly impartial commentators on the BBC the 'Right-to-buy' policy of the 1980s was a big success.

Was it!?

 


...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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elgrande Flag bedford 14 Apr 15 5.59pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Quote Johnny Eagles at 14 Apr 2015 5.49pm

According to not just the Tories but also most of the supposedly impartial commentators on the BBC the 'Right-to-buy' policy of the 1980s was a big success.

Was it!?


I think it was to a certain extent.It gave people a chance to own their own home,when really that would have no other chance of doing so.


But and it's a big but...........You have to replace the homes that are being taken off the social housing stock.
If you build as you sell then it works very well.

Edited by elgrande (14 Apr 2015 5.59pm)

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 14 Apr 15 6.09pm Send a Private Message to Johnny Eagles Add Johnny Eagles as a friend

Quote elgrande at 14 Apr 2015 5.59pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 14 Apr 2015 5.49pm

According to not just the Tories but also most of the supposedly impartial commentators on the BBC the 'Right-to-buy' policy of the 1980s was a big success.

Was it!?


I think it was to a certain extent.It gave people a chance to own their own home,when really that would have no other chance of doing so.

But and it's a big but...........You have to replace the homes that are being taken off the social housing stock.
If you build as you sell then it works very well.

Edited by elgrande (14 Apr 2015 5.59pm)

I'm personally less convinced. But my point wasn't really whether it was or wasn't but that during a ten minute bit about it on Radio 4 nobody challenged that it was anything other than a success!

I remember a debate about it on here taking up about 40 pages on the Thatcher thread which makes me suspect it was actually quite controversial!

 


...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 14 Apr 15 6.12pm Send a Private Message to Johnny Eagles Add Johnny Eagles as a friend

Just listening to Natalie Bennett on the same programme.

I think the Greens are bonkers so I'm obviously biased. But trying hard to be objective I can't see that the woman is anything other than completely unelectable! If the Greens don't "let her step down" immediately the election is over I'll eat my hat.

 


...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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imbored Flag UK 14 Apr 15 6.13pm

Quote elgrande at 14 Apr 2015 5.59pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 14 Apr 2015 5.49pm

According to not just the Tories but also most of the supposedly impartial commentators on the BBC the 'Right-to-buy' policy of the 1980s was a big success.

Was it!?


I think it was to a certain extent.It gave people a chance to own their own home,when really that would have no other chance of doing so.


But and it's a big but...........You have to replace the homes that are being taken off the social housing stock.
If you build as you sell then it works very well.

Edited by elgrande (14 Apr 2015 5.59pm)

Exactly this though. They won't.

On top of that these are not council properties, they are built and maintained by the housing association. They are owned by private charitable associations. The whole thing is a pie in the sky idea to win votes.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Apr 15 6.45pm

Quote imbored at 14 Apr 2015 5.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 14 Apr 2015 5.04pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 4.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 7.01am

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm

Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset.

Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS.

The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008.

Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff.

Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified.

My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves!

Of course, certain posters will dismiss this.

More here... [Link]


What is the 'A & E crisis'? Please explain.

Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them?

Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure?

Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda?

I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses.

I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff.

I take it that you haven't responded to me because 'I do not get it' or because 'you cannot debate with matt_himself' but I find it pathetic that you shy away from this.

You have said that the NHS is in crisis but have not provided any substantive evidence to back this up.

I would urge you to back up your opinions.

Or because I've been at work. I find it astonishing that you think what the head of the BMA has said isn't evidence.
As I've said before, you would dispute that the sky is blue simply because I've said it. Pathetic, immature and shows everyone what you are truly like. Tosser


Edited by nickgusset (14 Apr 2015 5.05pm)


He's not genuinely interested in anything you have to say. He just gets a thrill out of arguing with you. You're wasting substantial amount of time repeating this process. Just stop talking to him. It'll benefit your health and we won't all have to read these run ins across every thread going .


Edited by imbored (14 Apr 2015 5.41pm)


I know. I can't help myself.

 

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imbored Flag UK 14 Apr 15 7.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 14 Apr 2015 6.45pm

Quote imbored at 14 Apr 2015 5.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 14 Apr 2015 5.04pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 4.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Apr 2015 7.01am

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm

Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset.

Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS.

The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008.

Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff.

Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified.

My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves!

Of course, certain posters will dismiss this.

More here... [Link]


What is the 'A & E crisis'? Please explain.

Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them?

Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure?

Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda?

I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses.

I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff.

I take it that you haven't responded to me because 'I do not get it' or because 'you cannot debate with matt_himself' but I find it pathetic that you shy away from this.

You have said that the NHS is in crisis but have not provided any substantive evidence to back this up.

I would urge you to back up your opinions.

Or because I've been at work. I find it astonishing that you think what the head of the BMA has said isn't evidence.
As I've said before, you would dispute that the sky is blue simply because I've said it. Pathetic, immature and shows everyone what you are truly like. Tosser


Edited by nickgusset (14 Apr 2015 5.05pm)


He's not genuinely interested in anything you have to say. He just gets a thrill out of arguing with you. You're wasting substantial amount of time repeating this process. Just stop talking to him. It'll benefit your health and we won't all have to read these run ins across every thread going .


Edited by imbored (14 Apr 2015 5.41pm)


I know. I can't help myself.

It's a modern love story!

 

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Quote Johnny Eagles at 14 Apr 2015 5.49pm

According to not just the Tories but also most of the supposedly impartial commentators on the BBC the 'Right-to-buy' policy of the 1980s was a big success.

Was it!?


The take up was huge Johnny so 'yes' it was most definitely a success from a one dimensional view. There were subsidies given in order to buy which, frankly, helped hundreds of thousands, if not a million, of renters to own their own.

The social cost, however......that's a huge debate.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Apr 2015 7.26pm)

 


Big chest and massive boobs

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Quote Kermit8 at 14 Apr 2015 7.26pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 14 Apr 2015 5.49pm

According to not just the Tories but also most of the supposedly impartial commentators on the BBC the 'Right-to-buy' policy of the 1980s was a big success.

Was it!?


The take up was huge Johnny so 'yes' it was most definitely a success from a one dimensional view. There were subsidies given in order to buy which, frankly, helped hundreds of thousands, if not a million, of renters to own their own.

The social cost, however......that's a huge debate.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Apr 2015 7.26pm)

Which is what I said Kerms........you have to replenish the stocks you sell.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm

Some food for thought.
(intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour)
1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem.
2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis.
3. The deficit shot up.
4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this.
5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services.
6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either.
7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]


Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker.


Are you kidding me? without Quantitative easing this country would be like Greece. In fact, it’s a bloody good job that we kept the pound. Had we gone over to the Euro as Labour wished then we could not have printed any money and our debt would be, as you say, another 350 billion bigger than it is today.



The UK would never in a million years have been like Greece; that is total bollocks. Greek debt is largely very short term and needs to be rolled over every few months. They have recently repaid 1.4bn euro debt, but borrowed another 2.1bn which will need to be repaid in 6 MONTHS... The average UK debt term is 13 YEARS.... a whole different ballgame.

And Labour didn't wish to go over to the Euro, that was the position of John Major's government when Norman Lamont was chancellor. Say what you like about Gordon Brown, but he put in place the 5 conditions that were required before joining the Euro, safe in the knowledge that the chances of all 5 happening were akin to winning the lottery twice.

Quantative easing is largely what the massively increased debt consists of. You're not an economist, are you?


Should also remember that Greece's position is after the massive haircut 4 years ago - creditors wrote off 100 billion euros.

 

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