Alright, we do all like a moan and politics often amounts to just different interest groups moaning.

But I've thought about this a lot - there was an excellent radio 4 documentary about it a while ago - and I just don't accept that things are so bad or that "YOUNG PEOPLE" are so hard done by that it warrants specific policies or is a key general election.

Yes, there are problems (eg, housing and student debt) but that's life. My parents had problems too (eg, the 3 day week, IMF bailouts, growing up in a slum) and so did my grandparents did too (eg, the great depression and a world war).

You take the rough with the smooth. There's no human right to a university education or home ownership. The opportunities afforded today by cheap travel, the internet, better healthcare and new technology mean "YOUNG PEOPLE" are going to live longer, healthier and in many ways more fulfilling lives. Going after pensioners because they've got something you want is divisive and frankly I find it pitiful.

Edited by Johnny Eagles (03 Apr 2015 7.15pm)

I went through the three day weeks and I'm not a pensioner. It really wasn't that bad, as I recall it was about the same time that we had 'never had it so good'.

I'm not having a pop at pensioners. I am simply saying that there is in no way a level playing field for this generation. They don't get the benefits of the older generation and also have an overhang of debt created by them.

I have just got how much you lot are scared of Nigel and UKiP.

It makes perfect sense.

The left, of all hues, is intellectually and spiritually led by a comparatively rich & educated middle class clique. Miliband has two f***ing kitchens! The SWP and the Greens are middle class intellectuals playing Che Guevara. They have alienated the working class and detest the under class. The snobbery the left, of all hues, has towards these people, despite the the fact they are the marginalised groups these people claim to represent, has driven a wedge between the two.

Nigel is getting support from the working class and he underclass. He is able to represent them and his message is respected by these people. All the left can do is sling mud and claim Nigel is racist, bigoted and beyond contempt. But the left cannot offer an alternative who resonates with these people.

I am sure the response will be 'Lolz'. However the lefties in here know that I what I am saying is true and are privately wringing their hands and despairing that no one on their side can articulate an agenda and whose message resonates with the working and underclasses in a manner Nigel does.

Look at the demographics of where UKIP support is strongest. Post industrial cities with high unemployment and coastal cities with B&B's full with people bussed in from other parts of the country.

Why would Farage be attractive to people living there? Because he listens to these people who have seen change and people forced upon their communities.

You will call it xenophobia because that is the simplistic and patronising response the left has for anyone voting UKIP. However, there are parts of the country that the establishment has effectively dumped. The left won't go there because they don't serve Freetrade coffee or Medjool Dates in the cafes in the towns. However, UKIP will go there, listen and sympathise with those whose lives have been changed because the neglect and snootiness of others.

The left looking down their noses at UKIP is acceptance that they have failed. They only have themselves to blame.

Edited by matt_himself (04 Apr 2015 7.16am)