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chelski london 15 Feb 13 11.58am
Quote akiisalegend at 15 Feb 2013 11.50am Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 11.40am Quote akiisalegend at 15 Feb 2013 11.13am Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 9.33am They cannot afford to waste time on youngsters, that's our job. Hardly think the HUGE amount of investment that has gone on in our academy is a waste of time. I think CPFC should be rightly proud of their academy. But I think our academy doesnt get the credit it deserves from other clubs. Correct me if im wrong but isnt the only player to come through your academy in past 10 years thats gone on to be a proven player is JT? Mceachran and Bertrand obviously have the talent to succeed but atm dont think can be classed as a very good product yet. Im not saying chelseas academy isnt good but just saying that the reason it may not get the credit it deserves because lately it hasnt really produced anyone of note? Also on a note to what you were saying about profit. Doesnt your profit include the winnings from the champions league? 'The figure is a significant improvement on the £67.7 million loss recorded in the 2010-11 season, and while full accounts are yet to be published, the profit reflects the financial upside of the club’s Champions League and FA Cup wins' Not just the winnings of the champs league will come from that you would probably have made around the £1.4 million profit just on ticket sales of the first leg semi final? With this not happening this year (granted you may go far or win the europa) surely the profit levels/turnover will go down. Especially now incorporating the huge wages of new players like Hazard. I know youve let some players go to try and make up for it but cant see the outgoing wages/transfer fees of players coming close to the wages/transfer fees of the players that have come in? Listed academy products earlier, but Jack Cork (Southampton) and Carlton Cole (West Ham). However accepted it could have been better BUT as I stated the players coming through now are beginning to show great promise and in large numbers (check our players on loan) In terms of profit.Yes in those figures they incluse the Champions League TV money BUT they dont include the massive increase in sales of merchandise and the projected increased revenues from sponsors and companies. Additonally the increased TV revenue will ofset loses from Champions League early exit. Cant believe i forgot about Cork, seeing as I used to play against him when I was at school!! (he went to Glynn if i remember correctly). How old is carlton cole now, surely he came through nearly 15 years ago? Ah k, tbh I dont know many of the academy players. Are they actually home grown youngsters or they ones bought in like you did a few years ago like di santo, rajkovic, piazon, kakuta, mitrovic......? Not a dig or anything but just curious? The ones above set you back a few million didnt they? (i know you sold di santo and Rajkovic for quite decent amounts btw) Any on loan in the championship (im probably being thick and not realised them other than Chalobah) Yeah good shout with the sponsorship/merchandise etc, hadnt taken that into account. Be interested to see how the books balance with the increase in transfer spend/wages and losses of champs league money compared to the money you get in like you say with sponsorship/TV etc. McEachran (middlesborough), Michael Mancienne (sold to Hamburg)as well. Yes its true, as I have stated earlier, that our academy during the early 2000 era didnt produce top players anywhere near as much as it should. However, any in-depth analysis of our academy products coming through now will indicate that there is an abundance of great english talent. Last season we won the U15 premier league tournament, U16 Premier League Tournament and won the FA Youth Cup with predominately English Players. We have a great deal of players representing England (although to be fair that has not historically been a good indication of success) Edited by chelski (15 Feb 2013 11.59am)
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Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 9.33am

They cannot afford to waste time on youngsters, that's our job.

Hardly think the HUGE amount of investment that has gone on in our academy is a waste of time.
I think CPFC should be rightly proud of their academy. But I think our academy doesnt get the credit it deserves from other clubs.

Correct me if im wrong but isnt the only player to come through your academy in past 10 years thats gone on to be a proven player is JT? Mceachran and Bertrand obviously have the talent to succeed but atm dont think can be classed as a very good product yet. Im not saying chelseas academy isnt good but just saying that the reason it may not get the credit it deserves because lately it hasnt really produced anyone of note?

Also on a note to what you were saying about profit. Doesnt your profit include the winnings from the champions league?
'The figure is a significant improvement on the £67.7 million loss recorded in the 2010-11 season, and while full accounts are yet to be published, the profit reflects the financial upside of the club’s Champions League and FA Cup wins'
Not just the winnings of the champs league will come from that you would probably have made around the £1.4 million profit just on ticket sales of the first leg semi final?
With this not happening this year (granted you may go far or win the europa) surely the profit levels/turnover will go down. Especially now incorporating the huge wages of new players like Hazard. I know youve let some players go to try and make up for it but cant see the outgoing wages/transfer fees of players coming close to the wages/transfer fees of the players that have come in?

Listed academy products earlier, but Jack Cork (Southampton) and Carlton Cole (West Ham). However accepted it could have been better BUT as I stated the players coming through now are beginning to show great promise and in large numbers (check our players on loan)

In terms of profit.Yes in those figures they incluse the Champions League TV money BUT they dont include the massive increase in sales of merchandise and the projected increased revenues from sponsors and companies. Additonally the increased TV revenue will ofset loses from Champions League early exit.

Cant believe i forgot about Cork, seeing as I used to play against him when I was at school!! (he went to Glynn if i remember correctly). How old is carlton cole now, surely he came through nearly 15 years ago?
Ah k, tbh I dont know many of the academy players. Are they actually home grown youngsters or they ones bought in like you did a few years ago like di santo, rajkovic, piazon, kakuta, mitrovic......? Not a dig or anything but just curious? The ones above set you back a few million didnt they? (i know you sold di santo and Rajkovic for quite decent amounts btw) Any on loan in the championship (im probably being thick and not realised them other than Chalobah)

Yeah good shout with the sponsorship/merchandise etc, hadnt taken that into account. Be interested to see how the books balance with the increase in transfer spend/wages and losses of champs league money compared to the money you get in like you say with sponsorship/TV etc.

McEachran (middlesborough), Michael Mancienne (sold to Hamburg)as well. Yes its true, as I have stated earlier, that our academy during the early 2000 era didnt produce top players anywhere near as much as it should. However, any in-depth analysis of our academy products coming through now will indicate that there is an abundance of great english talent. Last season we won the U15 premier league tournament, U16 Premier League Tournament and won the FA Youth Cup with predominately English Players. We have a great deal of players representing England (although to be fair that has not historically been a good indication of success)

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chelski london 15 Feb 13 12.00pm
Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 11.50am Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 11.41am I thought that Abramovich had already moved his assets out of Russia? Maybe, I'm wrong. Abramovich being as rich as he is ....Well, that's due to state corruption. The turning over of whole state industries. It was a crime committed against the Russian people when they, so called, went 'democratic', one of so many crimes really....Most of them are insulated against the corruption though as the press there is hardly free. Chelsea's success is funded on the back of money that would have been criminally gained if that had happened here. But to be fair to Chelsea it's similar to what goes on with lots of foreign cash that enters London...From the Middle east, Africa and Russia/Eastern states. Abramovich still has plenty there and is involved heavily in their World Cup bid. I believe that when he moved the money out of Russia there was currency control that meant he shouldn't have but what to do. The Daily Telegraph is owned by a Russian - wonder why their World Cup bid was never questioned but Qatar's was? and the relevance to this debate is??
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london 15 Feb 13 12.00pm

Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 11.50am

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 11.41am

I thought that Abramovich had already moved his assets out of Russia? Maybe, I'm wrong.

Abramovich being as rich as he is ....Well, that's due to state corruption. The turning over of whole state industries. It was a crime committed against the Russian people when they, so called, went 'democratic', one of so many crimes really....Most of them are insulated against the corruption though as the press there is hardly free.

Chelsea's success is funded on the back of money that would have been criminally gained if that had happened here.

But to be fair to Chelsea it's similar to what goes on with lots of foreign cash that enters London...From the Middle east, Africa and Russia/Eastern states.

Abramovich still has plenty there and is involved heavily in their World Cup bid. I believe that when he moved the money out of Russia there was currency control that meant he shouldn't have but what to do.

The Daily Telegraph is owned by a Russian - wonder why their World Cup bid was never questioned but Qatar's was?

and the relevance to this debate is??

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cornwalls palace Torpoint 15 Feb 13 12.05pm
To a team like Luton at this moment, we are like Chelsea. If we actually do achieve prem football...sadly the likes of Clyne, Moses, Routledge, Zaha, Scannell, Gordon, Salako, Shaw, will find it hard to be given early precious time on our pitch, especially if we are struggling. Chelsea have become what they have, due to trying to compete with Man.U's monopoly. We should not be arguing with chelski, he is only a fan like us, I'm sure deep down he does not love the situation of knowing his team should thrash every club out of the top six. .......has our coach driver done a Poo'yet, without thinking about Gus!
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To a team like Luton at this moment, we are like Chelsea. If we actually do achieve prem football...sadly the likes of Clyne, Moses, Routledge, Zaha, Scannell, Gordon, Salako, Shaw, will find it hard to be given early precious time on our pitch, especially if we are struggling.
Chelsea have become what they have, due to trying to compete with Man.U's monopoly. We should not be arguing with chelski, he is only a fan like us, I'm sure deep down he does not love the situation of knowing his team should thrash every club out of the top six.

.......has our coach driver done a Poo'yet, without thinking about Gus!

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Stirlingsays 15 Feb 13 12.05pm
Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 12.00pm Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 11.50am Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 11.41am I thought that Abramovich had already moved his assets out of Russia? Maybe, I'm wrong. Abramovich being as rich as he is ....Well, that's due to state corruption. The turning over of whole state industries. It was a crime committed against the Russian people when they, so called, went 'democratic', one of so many crimes really....Most of them are insulated against the corruption though as the press there is hardly free. Chelsea's success is funded on the back of money that would have been criminally gained if that had happened here. But to be fair to Chelsea it's similar to what goes on with lots of foreign cash that enters London...From the Middle east, Africa and Russia/Eastern states. Abramovich still has plenty there and is involved heavily in their World Cup bid. I believe that when he moved the money out of Russia there was currency control that meant he shouldn't have but what to do. The Daily Telegraph is owned by a Russian - wonder why their World Cup bid was never questioned but Qatar's was? and the relevance to this debate is?? It's the main reason behind Chelsea's success. It's worthy of comment in a situation where a fan has been waffling on about how great their club is. Your success is built upon injustice at the end of the day....Not that I'd expect the vast majority of Chelsea fans to care about that...Though some would. Besides we don't have to pass your 'relevance' test to post on here, thanks. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2013 12.07pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Feb 13 12.05pm

Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 12.00pm

Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 11.50am

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 11.41am

I thought that Abramovich had already moved his assets out of Russia? Maybe, I'm wrong.

Chelsea's success is funded on the back of money that would have been criminally gained if that had happened here.

But to be fair to Chelsea it's similar to what goes on with lots of foreign cash that enters London...From the Middle east, Africa and Russia/Eastern states.

The Daily Telegraph is owned by a Russian - wonder why their World Cup bid was never questioned but Qatar's was?

and the relevance to this debate is??

It's the main reason behind Chelsea's success.

It's worthy of comment in a situation where a fan has been waffling on about how great their club is. Your success is built upon injustice at the end of the day....Not that I'd expect the vast majority of Chelsea fans to care about that...Though some would.

Besides we don't have to pass your 'relevance' test to post on here, thanks.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2013 12.07pm)

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Azerbaijan Eagle 15 Feb 13 12.09pm
Oh Dear The thread is about Palace being beaten by Chelsea 5-1 and not being announced on our website. It has moved onto how good your academy is, how good our's is, how bad your's is, how bad our's is, what a great club Chelsea is, what a s* club our's is, what a great club Palace is and what a s* club your's is. It moved onto other issues. If you want relevence to the thread, thank you for pointing that out, I didn't know you had beaten us 5-1 away from home, you have done a good job in informing us all. I was just talking to Stirlingsays - is that okay with you? Edited by Azerbaijan Eagle (15 Feb 2013 12.13pm)
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Oh Dear

The thread is about Palace being beaten by Chelsea 5-1 and not being announced on our website.

It has moved onto how good your academy is, how good our's is, how bad your's is, how bad our's is, what a great club Chelsea is, what a s*** club our's is, what a great club Palace is and what a s*** club your's is.

It moved onto other issues.

If you want relevence to the thread, thank you for pointing that out, I didn't know you had beaten us 5-1 away from home, you have done a good job in informing us all.

I was just talking to Stirlingsays - is that okay with you?

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chelski london 15 Feb 13 12.13pm
Quote cornwalls palace at 15 Feb 2013 12.05pm To a team like Luton at this moment, we are like Chelsea. If we actually do achieve prem football...sadly the likes of Clyne, Moses, Routledge, Zaha, Scannell, Gordon, Salako, Shaw, will find it hard to be given early precious time on our pitch, especially if we are struggling. Chelsea have become what they have, due to trying to compete with Man.U's monopoly. We should not be arguing with chelski, he is only a fan like us, I'm sure deep down he does not love the situation of knowing his team should thrash every club out of the top six. Deep down I'd rather play Champions league games every week because the excitement generated by those games far outways the premier league normally.
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Deep down I'd rather play Champions league games every week because the excitement generated by those games far outways the premier league normally.

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chelski london 15 Feb 13 12.14pm
Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.09pm Oh Dear The thread is about Palace being beaten by Chelsea 5-1 and not being announced on our website. It has moved onto how good your academy is, how good our's is, how bad your's is, how bad our's is, what a great club Chelsea is, what a s* club our's is, what a great club Palace is and what a s* club your's is. It moved onto other issues. If you want relevence to the thread, thank you for pointing that out, I didn't know you had beaten us 5-1 away from home, you have done a good job in informing us all. I was just talking to Stirlingsays - is that okay with you? Edited by Azerbaijan Eagle (15 Feb 2013 12.13pm) Please show me ONE quote where I have said your club is SHI*?
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london 15 Feb 13 12.14pm

Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.09pm

Oh Dear

The thread is about Palace being beaten by Chelsea 5-1 and not being announced on our website.

It moved onto other issues.

If you want relevence to the thread, thank you for pointing that out, I didn't know you had beaten us 5-1 away from home, you have done a good job in informing us all.

I was just talking to Stirlingsays - is that okay with you?

Edited by Azerbaijan Eagle (15 Feb 2013 12.13pm)

Please show me ONE quote where I have said your club is SHI*?

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chelski london 15 Feb 13 12.16pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 12.05pm Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 12.00pm Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 11.50am Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 11.41am I thought that Abramovich had already moved his assets out of Russia? Maybe, I'm wrong. Abramovich being as rich as he is ....Well, that's due to state corruption. The turning over of whole state industries. It was a crime committed against the Russian people when they, so called, went 'democratic', one of so many crimes really....Most of them are insulated against the corruption though as the press there is hardly free. Chelsea's success is funded on the back of money that would have been criminally gained if that had happened here. But to be fair to Chelsea it's similar to what goes on with lots of foreign cash that enters London...From the Middle east, Africa and Russia/Eastern states. Abramovich still has plenty there and is involved heavily in their World Cup bid. I believe that when he moved the money out of Russia there was currency control that meant he shouldn't have but what to do. The Daily Telegraph is owned by a Russian - wonder why their World Cup bid was never questioned but Qatar's was? and the relevance to this debate is?? It's the main reason behind Chelsea's success. It's worthy of comment in a situation where a fan has been waffling on about how great their club is. Your success is built upon injustice at the end of the day....Not that I'd expect the vast majority of Chelsea fans to care about that...Though some would. Besides we don't have to pass your 'relevance' test to post on here, thanks. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2013 12.07pm) Injustice??? Hmm maybe we should explore the track record of some of your owners and how they made their money. I think if we go down that road most owners would be guilty!!
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chelski

london 15 Feb 13 12.16pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 12.05pm

Quote chelski at 15 Feb 2013 12.00pm

Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 11.50am

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Feb 2013 11.41am

I thought that Abramovich had already moved his assets out of Russia? Maybe, I'm wrong.

Chelsea's success is funded on the back of money that would have been criminally gained if that had happened here.

But to be fair to Chelsea it's similar to what goes on with lots of foreign cash that enters London...From the Middle east, Africa and Russia/Eastern states.

The Daily Telegraph is owned by a Russian - wonder why their World Cup bid was never questioned but Qatar's was?

and the relevance to this debate is??

It's the main reason behind Chelsea's success.

Besides we don't have to pass your 'relevance' test to post on here, thanks.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2013 12.07pm)

Injustice??? Hmm maybe we should explore the track record of some of your owners and how they made their money. I think if we go down that road most owners would be guilty!!

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Azerbaijan Eagle 15 Feb 13 12.33pm
Chelski, You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they? I have live in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close. Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine. None of them have ever had anyone imprisoned because they are an unelected Governor of a State that is part of a federation who endorse the murder of people by exposing opponents to that regime to unhealthy doses of radiation.
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Azerbaijan Eagle 15 Feb 13 12.33pm

Chelski,

You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they?

I have live in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close.

Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine.

None of them have ever had anyone imprisoned because they are an unelected Governor of a State that is part of a federation who endorse the murder of people by exposing opponents to that regime to unhealthy doses of radiation.

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Stirlingsays 15 Feb 13 12.35pm
Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.33pm Chelski, You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they? I have live in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close. Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine. None of them have ever had anyone imprisoned because they are an unelected Governor of a State that is part of a federation who endorse the murder of people by exposing opponents to that regime to unhealthy doses of radiation. Good post. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.33pm

Chelski,

You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they?

I have live in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close.

Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine.

Good post.

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Azerbaijan Eagle 15 Feb 13 12.38pm
Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.33pm Chelski, You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they? I have lived in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close. Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine. None of them have ever had anyone imprisoned because they are an unelected Governor of a State that is part of a federation who endorse the murder of people by exposing opponents to that regime to unhealthy doses of radiation.
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Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.33pm

Chelski,

You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they?

I have lived in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close.

Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine.

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chelski london 15 Feb 13 12.50pm
Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.38pm Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.33pm Chelski, You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they? I have lived in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close. Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine. None of them have ever had anyone imprisoned because they are an unelected Governor of a State that is part of a federation who endorse the murder of people by exposing opponents to that regime to unhealthy doses of radiation. And where is your evidence that Abromovich was responsible for this?? Are you referring to the Russian state, all russian people or about him personally??
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chelski

london 15 Feb 13 12.50pm

Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.38pm

Quote Azerbaijan Eagle at 15 Feb 2013 12.33pm

Chelski,

You haven't - you've taken me too literally, however by coming on here you are inferring your superiority and as such belittling us - no one likes that do they?

I have lived in Azerbaijan for 15 years - I know how the system worked - injustice doesn't come close.

Parish has an advertising agency,Long sold insurance, Hosking is a highly intelligent city trader and Browett used to drive a van for a wine merchant and basically now sells wine.

And where is your evidence that Abromovich was responsible for this?? Are you referring to the Russian state, all russian people or about him personally??

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