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rusheslake  Le Mans France 19 Sep 12 12.09pm |
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Quote Bobbysmith at 19 Sep 2012 9.51am
Thanks for the good reply as well. To answer your question, in my view Buckley and CMS do more for the team than Zaha does for Palace, I know their stats are better, but think they contribute to the overall play better than Zaha, Ok only seen him play a few times, but I do read on here and my mate think hs could do a lot better than he does. Oh and Vicente is the best player outside the premership, when fit, no debate, again his stats are very good, think 12 games, 3 goals, 9 assists, not bad, if only he was fit each week. Back for Saturday we hear. I also know a League 1 club Performace Analyst, who told me some interesting facts, like the big clubs really look at these stats and that is why no real big club will pay that sort of money for him, as his stats are not that impressive. Lucky last night to be honest, ugly win, although we had most of the good chances, Watford should have got a point. Heard a comment from a Forest fan on Talksport who said he thought Palace brought them down to their level, he seemed a bit upset to only get a point. Gabbidon is a good player at this level, bit slow, but lot of experiance, so give you credit for a good signing.
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 Bobbysmith  Worthing 19 Sep 12 12.32pm |
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Its called opinions mate, that is all. I can assure you that I would rather have Buckley,CMS and Vicente that is because I want what is best for my team. You of course have your own opinions, which I respect. I quote the stats, as they do back up my opinions somewhat....end of debate, you want a potentially good player, who you can sell and makes you loads of money (not as musch as 5 million in my view), we want players that will make us a good team with Players who score and create goals. So no problem, we will move on. They are all very different players in my view, Buckley is so quick it is untrue, ask the Watford full back last night, he has some lovely skills as well, scores and makes goals. CMS is on fire, works so hard and is scoring goals (6 this year I think). Vicente is a world class player that should not be playing at this level, but he is, as his injury record is bad, but I can assure you he is worth the match ticket alone....yes my opinions, dont get upset as I have different view to you, that is what the away end is all about.
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| A89M Streatham 19 Sep 12 1.17pm |
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Bobby, the fact that we are even comparing Zaha and CMS who are at completely different ends of their career suggests that Zaha is/will be the better player.. If he doesnt contribute more than CMS now than he will by the time he is 8 YEARS OLDER (Zaha 21 - CMS 29). As for the 'stats analyst' you speak off, I suppose thats why Buckley didnt get picked up by any Premiership club, or us for that matter and had to settle for a club of your stature, where as Zaha is being linked with every club in the premiership!! Hmm clutching at straws with your arguements now I think.
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| aburton Cornwall 19 Sep 12 1.30pm |
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When all said and done if Palace bought CMS or Buckley, or BHA bought Zaha no one would be complaining. In reality most fans would take any player if they thought it would help the club!
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| Plane Bromley 19 Sep 12 1.35pm |
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Quote Bobbysmith at 19 Sep 2012 12.32pm
Its called opinions mate, that is all. I can assure you that I would rather have Buckley,CMS and Vicente that is because I want what is best for my team. You of course have your own opinions, which I respect. I quote the stats, as they do back up my opinions somewhat....end of debate, you want a potentially good player, who you can sell and makes you loads of money (not as musch as 5 million in my view), we want players that will make us a good team with Players who score and create goals. So no problem, we will move on. They are all very different players in my view, Buckley is so quick it is untrue, ask the Watford full back last night, he has some lovely skills as well, scores and makes goals. CMS is on fire, works so hard and is scoring goals (6 this year I think). Vicente is a world class player that should not be playing at this level, but he is, as his injury record is bad, but I can assure you he is worth the match ticket alone....yes my opinions, dont get upset as I have different view to you, that is what the away end is all about.
Talking of stats and opinions EverybodyDannsnow gave you opinions of supporters from across the championship regarding Wilf and you boo hooed it. Stop living in your south coast bubble and get back to NSC because we don't really care for your twisted opinions on here. As for Brighton going up this year
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| Holmesdale Nick South Croydon 19 Sep 12 1.46pm |
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Bobby, can I just remind you of something you posted on 11th September: so I will leave you alone to have a great season, well think you will struggle quite a bit and hopefully we can have a chat at the end of the year and will settle our bets, of course, that if any of you want to have that bet ?? Bye You couldn't resist coming back to the great site that is Holmesdale.net
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goodersgold  Hastings 19 Sep 12 1.48pm |
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Quote Bobbysmith at 19 Sep 2012 12.32pm
Its called opinions mate, that is all. I can assure you that I would rather have Buckley,CMS and Vicente that is because I want what is best for my team. You of course have your own opinions, which I respect. I quote the stats, as they do back up my opinions somewhat....end of debate, you want a potentially good player, who you can sell and makes you loads of money (not as musch as 5 million in my view), we want players that will make us a good team with Players who score and create goals. So no problem, we will move on. They are all very different players in my view, Buckley is so quick it is untrue, ask the Watford full back last night, he has some lovely skills as well, scores and makes goals. CMS is on fire, works so hard and is scoring goals (6 this year I think). Vicente is a world class player that should not be playing at this level, but he is, as his injury record is bad, but I can assure you he is worth the match ticket alone....yes my opinions, dont get upset as I have different view to you, that is what the away end is all about.
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| Helmet46 Croydon 19 Sep 12 1.49pm |
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Quote Bobbysmith at 18 Sep 2012 8.32am
I have read all the comments and thanks, at least you have admitted that I do not give out abuse. I do actually take a bit, but if I post on a rivals site, then I should expect, as some of you guys do on NSC, not saying it is right though. Also I have not reported a post for calling me a nancy boy, I did once report a comment, which was in very bad taste and it got removed (you know who you are). I think the main reason for my replies on here are to try and give you a balanced view, nothing more. You say we deluded, and I am sure some are and even I do get carried away, but sometimes what is posted on here is lets say a good debate, eg the Zaha saga, I think he is a good player, yes, would we want him, no, that is a opinion, he is not out style of player, he trys to much and does not release the ball and as i get saying his stats are very poor for a player that you rate so highly. My mate who is Palace fan, was upset that you did not sell him as he feels he is overated as well. As I alwyas say we have 3 players who had better stats than him last year. Anyway football is about opinions and that is the fact of the matter. I do not hate Palace, I hope you will stay up as I love the rivally. As for us, keep our main players fit think we are in for a good year. We were awesome on Friday, could have been 10. So sorry if I upset you, I dont sit at home with pipe and slippers, I am a normal bloke, with wife and kids and a good job, just support a different football team to you, who actually are doing quite well at the moment, that is all and in my opinion have better players than Zaha, who score more, create more, that is all.
I'm not sure that your views are always as balanced as you suggest. To me a balanced view is a considered opinion that takes into account all of the varying aspects of a given situation. Your opinions don't always strike me as balanced. For example - "Palace are cheats" because we went into administration twice or "Zaha is a diver and not as good as CMS, look at the stats?" (The Zaha one could also be construed as being a touch abusive to Wilf, I would suggest)? The Zaha one is also pretty subjective as a lot of that is opinion as you quite rightly state - however as good as stats are do they take into account factors such as age, playing experience, life experience, what that person gives the team and fans in terms of expectation and lift when on the pitch etc etc. Its very hard to say that one player is simply better than another based upon stats. (For example - Peter Crouch scores a goal every 1.9 games for England whereas Rooney only scores a goal every 2.6 games - but who would most people rather have starting up front)? Moving onto your presence on this forum - why were you not here - dishing out "balance" - when you were perhaps not doing as well in the lower leagues? You seem to only offer a balanced view when you're above us in the league?
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| Bobbysmith Worthing 19 Sep 12 2.43pm |
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Quote A89M at 19 Sep 2012 1.17pm
Bobby, the fact that we are even comparing Zaha and CMS who are at completely different ends of their career suggests that Zaha is/will be the better player.. If he doesnt contribute more than CMS now than he will by the time he is 8 YEARS OLDER (Zaha 21 - CMS 29). As for the 'stats analyst' you speak off, I suppose thats why Buckley didnt get picked up by any Premiership club, or us for that matter and had to settle for a club of your stature, where as Zaha is being linked with every club in the premiership!! Hmm clutching at straws with your arguements now I think.
So all Premerships clubs want Zaha, now you are joking, so why did was it Bolton ? were the only club that bid for him ?, think they are in our leauge, although they were prem, sorry made yourself look a bit stupid there. and our club stature is at the moment, is way about yours, so another strange argument, but apart from that...good comments, well done
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| Bobbysmith Worthing 19 Sep 12 3.00pm |
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Quote Helmet46 at 19 Sep 2012 1.49pm
Quote Bobbysmith at 18 Sep 2012 8.32am
I have read all the comments and thanks, at least you have admitted that I do not give out abuse. I do actually take a bit, but if I post on a rivals site, then I should expect, as some of you guys do on NSC, not saying it is right though. Also I have not reported a post for calling me a nancy boy, I did once report a comment, which was in very bad taste and it got removed (you know who you are). I think the main reason for my replies on here are to try and give you a balanced view, nothing more. You say we deluded, and I am sure some are and even I do get carried away, but sometimes what is posted on here is lets say a good debate, eg the Zaha saga, I think he is a good player, yes, would we want him, no, that is a opinion, he is not out style of player, he trys to much and does not release the ball and as i get saying his stats are very poor for a player that you rate so highly. My mate who is Palace fan, was upset that you did not sell him as he feels he is overated as well. As I alwyas say we have 3 players who had better stats than him last year. Anyway football is about opinions and that is the fact of the matter. I do not hate Palace, I hope you will stay up as I love the rivally. As for us, keep our main players fit think we are in for a good year. We were awesome on Friday, could have been 10. So sorry if I upset you, I dont sit at home with pipe and slippers, I am a normal bloke, with wife and kids and a good job, just support a different football team to you, who actually are doing quite well at the moment, that is all and in my opinion have better players than Zaha, who score more, create more, that is all.
I'm not sure that your views are always as balanced as you suggest. To me a balanced view is a considered opinion that takes into account all of the varying aspects of a given situation. Your opinions don't always strike me as balanced. For example - "Palace are cheats" because we went into administration twice or "Zaha is a diver and not as good as CMS, look at the stats?" (The Zaha one could also be construed as being a touch abusive to Wilf, I would suggest)? The Zaha one is also pretty subjective as a lot of that is opinion as you quite rightly state - however as good as stats are do they take into account factors such as age, playing experience, life experience, what that person gives the team and fans in terms of expectation and lift when on the pitch etc etc. Its very hard to say that one player is simply better than another based upon stats. (For example - Peter Crouch scores a goal every 1.9 games for England whereas Rooney only scores a goal every 2.6 games - but who would most people rather have starting up front)? Moving onto your presence on this forum - why were you not here - dishing out "balance" - when you were perhaps not doing as well in the lower leagues? You seem to only offer a balanced view when you're above us in the league?
I believe and so does your Manager, that he does not stay on his feet enough, I saw a comment by Dougie saying that he has to learn and can you hand on heart say he does not dive ??, come on be sensisble, he has done in the past, watch the video againts us Buckley did not touch him and yes Buckley got one back by doing the same, I will admit it, he dived. I understand he has a reputation with Refs now as someone to watch, so not just me/us who thinks he dives. Is that cheating ?, well i dont like it, but until Refs book and send off players for doing it, they will continue. Agree with your argument re Crouch and Rooney, but I know who I would rather have in the team and as said it is all about opinions and worth to the team. Think you need to be aware of the Palace trolls who infect NSC with stuff about CMS, I can assure you he he is a great player, 100% and gives us so much up front, we he came off last night, we missed him big time. Is he worth 2.5 million,well if you guys think Zaha is worth 5 million, then yes on that ratio/logic., but agree very different players. We could go on all night and i have work to do, but good debate, which I am sure is all about opinions. Yes of course I am biased, so are you, but think I can see a bit more balance sometimes, but I am sure you will disagree. As stated by my Palace mate, he has arguments with me, but he does agree on a few things, like we have a wonderful stadium, club is on the up and Zaha is not as great as people think. Eveything else we fight over.....but we never fall out
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| rusheslake Le Mans France 19 Sep 12 4.12pm |
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Quote Bobbysmith at 19 Sep 2012 3.00pm
Quote Helmet46 at 19 Sep 2012 1.49pm
Quote Bobbysmith at 18 Sep 2012 8.32am
I have read all the comments and thanks, at least you have admitted that I do not give out abuse. I do actually take a bit, but if I post on a rivals site, then I should expect, as some of you guys do on NSC, not saying it is right though. Also I have not reported a post for calling me a nancy boy, I did once report a comment, which was in very bad taste and it got removed (you know who you are). I think the main reason for my replies on here are to try and give you a balanced view, nothing more. You say we deluded, and I am sure some are and even I do get carried away, but sometimes what is posted on here is lets say a good debate, eg the Zaha saga, I think he is a good player, yes, would we want him, no, that is a opinion, he is not out style of player, he trys to much and does not release the ball and as i get saying his stats are very poor for a player that you rate so highly. My mate who is Palace fan, was upset that you did not sell him as he feels he is overated as well. As I alwyas say we have 3 players who had better stats than him last year. Anyway football is about opinions and that is the fact of the matter. I do not hate Palace, I hope you will stay up as I love the rivally. As for us, keep our main players fit think we are in for a good year. We were awesome on Friday, could have been 10. So sorry if I upset you, I dont sit at home with pipe and slippers, I am a normal bloke, with wife and kids and a good job, just support a different football team to you, who actually are doing quite well at the moment, that is all and in my opinion have better players than Zaha, who score more, create more, that is all.
I'm not sure that your views are always as balanced as you suggest. To me a balanced view is a considered opinion that takes into account all of the varying aspects of a given situation. Your opinions don't always strike me as balanced. For example - "Palace are cheats" because we went into administration twice or "Zaha is a diver and not as good as CMS, look at the stats?" (The Zaha one could also be construed as being a touch abusive to Wilf, I would suggest)? The Zaha one is also pretty subjective as a lot of that is opinion as you quite rightly state - however as good as stats are do they take into account factors such as age, playing experience, life experience, what that person gives the team and fans in terms of expectation and lift when on the pitch etc etc. Its very hard to say that one player is simply better than another based upon stats. (For example - Peter Crouch scores a goal every 1.9 games for England whereas Rooney only scores a goal every 2.6 games - but who would most people rather have starting up front)? Moving onto your presence on this forum - why were you not here - dishing out "balance" - when you were perhaps not doing as well in the lower leagues? You seem to only offer a balanced view when you're above us in the league?
I believe and so does your Manager, that he does not stay on his feet enough, I saw a comment by Dougie saying that he has to learn and can you hand on heart say he does not dive ??, come on be sensisble, he has done in the past, watch the video againts us Buckley did not touch him and yes Buckley got one back by doing the same, I will admit it, he dived. I understand he has a reputation with Refs now as someone to watch, so not just me/us who thinks he dives. Is that cheating ?, well i dont like it, but until Refs book and send off players for doing it, they will continue. Agree with your argument re Crouch and Rooney, but I know who I would rather have in the team and as said it is all about opinions and worth to the team. Think you need to be aware of the Palace trolls who infect NSC with stuff about CMS, I can assure you he he is a great player, 100% and gives us so much up front, we he came off last night, we missed him big time. Is he worth 2.5 million,well if you guys think Zaha is worth 5 million, then yes on that ratio/logic., but agree very different players. We could go on all night and i have work to do, but good debate, which I am sure is all about opinions. Yes of course I am biased, so are you, but think I can see a bit more balance sometimes, but I am sure you will disagree. As stated by my Palace mate, he has arguments with me, but he does agree on a few things, like we have a wonderful stadium, club is on the up and Zaha is not as great as people think. Eveything else we fight over.....but we never fall out one thing everyone agrees with boobyboy...you are a complete and utter t*** who only appeared here when you finished above us for the first time in 20 seasons, most of which you were not even in the same division. You seem to think you know more than all the polls and managers in the world and if you really believe that CMS is better than Zaha you are totally deluded as well...ok he scored a few this year but he did the same last year and then dried up..see what happens when he dries up this year. Buckley IS a diver as you said two wrongs do not make a right but you defend the cheating buckley whilst condemming Zaha.also you have said on numerous occassions that Palace cheated in administration..suggest you go back to nsc and spout your bile on ther, at least there you will have other like minded t***s to agree with you.....and what are you doing on a rival board all day, shouldnt you be at work???
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| goodersgold Hastings 19 Sep 12 4.21pm |
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Quote Bobbysmith at 19 Sep 2012 3.00pm
Quote Helmet46 at 19 Sep 2012 1.49pm
Quote Bobbysmith at 18 Sep 2012 8.32am
I have read all the comments and thanks, at least you have admitted that I do not give out abuse. I do actually take a bit, but if I post on a rivals site, then I should expect, as some of you guys do on NSC, not saying it is right though. Also I have not reported a post for calling me a nancy boy, I did once report a comment, which was in very bad taste and it got removed (you know who you are). I think the main reason for my replies on here are to try and give you a balanced view, nothing more. You say we deluded, and I am sure some are and even I do get carried away, but sometimes what is posted on here is lets say a good debate, eg the Zaha saga, I think he is a good player, yes, would we want him, no, that is a opinion, he is not out style of player, he trys to much and does not release the ball and as i get saying his stats are very poor for a player that you rate so highly. My mate who is Palace fan, was upset that you did not sell him as he feels he is overated as well. As I alwyas say we have 3 players who had better stats than him last year. Anyway football is about opinions and that is the fact of the matter. I do not hate Palace, I hope you will stay up as I love the rivally. As for us, keep our main players fit think we are in for a good year. We were awesome on Friday, could have been 10. So sorry if I upset you, I dont sit at home with pipe and slippers, I am a normal bloke, with wife and kids and a good job, just support a different football team to you, who actually are doing quite well at the moment, that is all and in my opinion have better players than Zaha, who score more, create more, that is all.
I'm not sure that your views are always as balanced as you suggest. To me a balanced view is a considered opinion that takes into account all of the varying aspects of a given situation. Your opinions don't always strike me as balanced. For example - "Palace are cheats" because we went into administration twice or "Zaha is a diver and not as good as CMS, look at the stats?" (The Zaha one could also be construed as being a touch abusive to Wilf, I would suggest)? The Zaha one is also pretty subjective as a lot of that is opinion as you quite rightly state - however as good as stats are do they take into account factors such as age, playing experience, life experience, what that person gives the team and fans in terms of expectation and lift when on the pitch etc etc. Its very hard to say that one player is simply better than another based upon stats. (For example - Peter Crouch scores a goal every 1.9 games for England whereas Rooney only scores a goal every 2.6 games - but who would most people rather have starting up front)? Moving onto your presence on this forum - why were you not here - dishing out "balance" - when you were perhaps not doing as well in the lower leagues? You seem to only offer a balanced view when you're above us in the league?
I believe and so does your Manager, that he does not stay on his feet enough, I saw a comment by Dougie saying that he has to learn and can you hand on heart say he does not dive ??, come on be sensisble, he has done in the past, watch the video againts us Buckley did not touch him and yes Buckley got one back by doing the same, I will admit it, he dived. I understand he has a reputation with Refs now as someone to watch, so not just me/us who thinks he dives. Is that cheating ?, well i dont like it, but until Refs book and send off players for doing it, they will continue. Agree with your argument re Crouch and Rooney, but I know who I would rather have in the team and as said it is all about opinions and worth to the team. Think you need to be aware of the Palace trolls who infect NSC with stuff about CMS, I can assure you he he is a great player, 100% and gives us so much up front, we he came off last night, we missed him big time. Is he worth 2.5 million,well if you guys think Zaha is worth 5 million, then yes on that ratio/logic., but agree very different players. We could go on all night and i have work to do, but good debate, which I am sure is all about opinions. Yes of course I am biased, so are you, but think I can see a bit more balance sometimes, but I am sure you will disagree. As stated by my Palace mate, he has arguments with me, but he does agree on a few things, like we have a wonderful stadium, club is on the up and Zaha is not as great as people think. Eveything else we fight over.....but we never fall out CMS is a GREAT player?Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha .
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