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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jul 24 9.24am
Originally posted by Willo I would not be surprised at all. The 'Mood music' is that Suella is losing traction amongst her fellow Conservative MPs and that the chance of her becoming the new leader is somewhat slim, indeed it has been suggested that she might not have sufficient support to enter the race.Time will tell of course! For avoidance of doubt I am an avid supporter of Suella Braverman . Edited by Willo (20 Jul 2024 9.35am) I think it is 101 politicking by Suella. She is giving the Tories a warning shot, you need me as your leader if I don't get it I'm off to Reform where I will be your worst nightmare. It's a no lose scenario for her. If the Tories say so what she will do as she says and defect. If she is lucky someone will start a save our Suella campaign. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 21 Jul 24 9.24am

Originally posted by Willo

I would not be surprised at all.

The 'Mood music' is that Suella is losing traction amongst her fellow Conservative MPs and that the chance of her becoming the new leader is somewhat slim, indeed it has been suggested that she might not have sufficient support to enter the race.Time will tell of course!

For avoidance of doubt I am an avid supporter of Suella Braverman .

Edited by Willo (20 Jul 2024 9.35am)

I think it is 101 politicking by Suella. She is giving the Tories a warning shot, you need me as your leader if I don't get it I'm off to Reform where I will be your worst nightmare.

It's a no lose scenario for her. If the Tories say so what she will do as she says and defect. If she is lucky someone will start a save our Suella campaign.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jul 24 9.45am
Originally posted by Badger11 I think it is 101 politicking by Suella. She is giving the Tories a warning shot, you need me as your leader if I don't get it I'm off to Reform where I will be your worst nightmare. It's a no lose scenario for her. If the Tories say so what she will do as she says and defect. If she is lucky someone will start a save our Suella campaign. Suella Braverman hasn't messaged to this effect. In terms of the leadership contest, last week the Conservative 'Board' and the '1922 committee' had a meeting to agree on the parameters. Despite one meeting lasting five hours, no agreement could be reached between those wanting to go short or go long, and whether the purpose of this year’s party conference should be a coronation ceremony for the winner or a beauty pageant for contenders. I shall of course be attending 'Conference' and I shall not be defecting to Reform ! Edited by Willo (21 Jul 2024 9.48am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jul 24 9.45am

Originally posted by Badger11

I think it is 101 politicking by Suella. She is giving the Tories a warning shot, you need me as your leader if I don't get it I'm off to Reform where I will be your worst nightmare.

It's a no lose scenario for her. If the Tories say so what she will do as she says and defect. If she is lucky someone will start a save our Suella campaign.

Suella Braverman hasn't messaged to this effect.

In terms of the leadership contest, last week the Conservative 'Board' and the '1922 committee' had a meeting to agree on the parameters.

Despite one meeting lasting five hours, no agreement could be reached between those wanting to go short or go long, and whether the purpose of this year’s party conference should be a coronation ceremony for the winner or a beauty pageant for contenders.

I shall of course be attending 'Conference' and I shall not be defecting to Reform !

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jul 24 10.10am
Originally posted by Willo Suella Braverman hasn't messaged to this effect. In terms of the leadership contest, last week the Conservative 'Board' and the '1922 committee' had a meeting to agree on the parameters. Despite one meeting lasting five hours, no agreement could be reached between those wanting to go short or go long, and whether the purpose of this year’s party conference should be a coronation ceremony for the winner or a beauty pageant for contenders. I shall of course be attending 'Conference' and I shall not be defecting to Reform ! Edited by Willo (21 Jul 2024 9.48am) Of course not Willo and yet the story leaked to the media, no politician would actually say that. One more point
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Beckenham 21 Jul 24 10.10am

Originally posted by Willo

Suella Braverman hasn't messaged to this effect.

In terms of the leadership contest, last week the Conservative 'Board' and the '1922 committee' had a meeting to agree on the parameters.

I shall of course be attending 'Conference' and I shall not be defecting to Reform !

Edited by Willo (21 Jul 2024 9.48am)

Of course not Willo and yet the story leaked to the media, no politician would actually say that.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jul 24 10.22am
Originally posted by Badger11 Of course not Willo and yet the story leaked to the media, no politician would actually say that. There has been speculation as a result of her attacks against her Conservative colleagues and when Reform comment that they expect Suella to join them then of course the 'Mood music' gallivants down the path of defection.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jul 24 10.22am

Originally posted by Badger11

Of course not Willo and yet the story leaked to the media, no politician would actually say that.

There has been speculation as a result of her attacks against her Conservative colleagues and when Reform comment that they expect Suella to join them then of course the 'Mood music' gallivants down the path of defection.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Jul 24 8.57am
Originally posted by Willo There has been speculation as a result of her attacks against her Conservative colleagues and when Reform comment that they expect Suella to join them then of course the 'Mood music' gallivants down the path of defection. So you answered my question, albeit indirectly. You won’t be defecting to Reform. So the next question is, if the Party decides to steer a course which is clearly centralist, and avoids any kind of swerve to the rocks on the right, choosing a leader who is fully committed to that strategy and as a consequence Braverman and others do defect, will you continue to campaign and support the Party with as much enthusiasm as in the past? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Jul 24 8.57am

Originally posted by Willo

So you answered my question, albeit indirectly.

You won’t be defecting to Reform. So the next question is, if the Party decides to steer a course which is clearly centralist, and avoids any kind of swerve to the rocks on the right, choosing a leader who is fully committed to that strategy and as a consequence Braverman and others do defect, will you continue to campaign and support the Party with as much enthusiasm as in the past?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jul 24 9.15am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I would have thought that she'd wait until after the leadership was decided. In terms of the Leadership contest the '1922' meet again this Wednesday and hopefully there will be agreement on the parameters and timetable. The runners and riders will be let out of the stalls and the deal-making, horse-trading and boot-licking will be prevalent. This was a subject of discussion with my Conservative cronies yesterday, and we are are looking forward to 'Conference' in Birmingham. Edited by Willo (22 Jul 2024 9.25am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jul 24 9.15am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I would have thought that she'd wait until after the leadership was decided.

In terms of the Leadership contest the '1922' meet again this Wednesday and hopefully there will be agreement on the parameters and timetable.
The runners and riders will be let out of the stalls and the deal-making, horse-trading and boot-licking will be prevalent.

This was a subject of discussion with my Conservative cronies yesterday, and we are are looking forward to 'Conference' in Birmingham.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jul 24 11.24pm
I have been informed this evening that the rules on how the Conservative Party leadership contest will proceed have been agreed. Candidates will need a proposer, a seconder and 8 nominations to proceed to the ballot. Nominations will open on Wednesday 24th July at 7 PM and shut Monday 29th July at 2.30 PM.In September the Parliamentary Party will narrow the field to 4 candidates and these will make their case to members at 'Conference'. After 'Conference', the Parliamentary Party will then whittle it down to the final 2 candidates, who will then be subject to a vote by Conservative Party members. The ballot will close on Thursday 31st October at 5 PM with the result announced on Saturday 2nd November. I am thoroughly looking forward to the leadership contest and of course to 'Conference'.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jul 24 11.24pm

I have been informed this evening that the rules on how the Conservative Party leadership contest will proceed have been agreed.

Candidates will need a proposer, a seconder and 8 nominations to proceed to the ballot. Nominations will open on Wednesday 24th July at 7 PM and shut Monday 29th July at 2.30 PM.In September the Parliamentary Party will narrow the field to 4 candidates and these will make their case to members at 'Conference'.

After 'Conference', the Parliamentary Party will then whittle it down to the final 2 candidates, who will then be subject to a vote by Conservative Party members.

The ballot will close on Thursday 31st October at 5 PM with the result announced on Saturday 2nd November.

I am thoroughly looking forward to the leadership contest and of course to 'Conference'.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 24 8.56am
Originally posted by Willo I have been informed this evening that the rules on how the Conservative Party leadership contest will proceed have been agreed. Candidates will need a proposer, a seconder and 8 nominations to proceed to the ballot. Nominations will open on Wednesday 24th July at 7 PM and shut Monday 29th July at 2.30 PM.In September the Parliamentary Party will narrow the field to 4 candidates and these will make their case to members at 'Conference'. After 'Conference', the Parliamentary Party will then whittle it down to the final 2 candidates, who will then be subject to a vote by Conservative Party members. The ballot will close on Thursday 31st October at 5 PM with the result announced on Saturday 2nd November. I am thoroughly looking forward to the leadership contest and of course to 'Conference'. So the task ahead for the MPs is to ensure that the choice put to the membership doesn’t include a candidate around whom they couldn’t coalesce. Which essentially means no one on the extremes. I would rather they had the final choice but this is better than nothing. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 24 8.56am

Originally posted by Willo

I have been informed this evening that the rules on how the Conservative Party leadership contest will proceed have been agreed.

After 'Conference', the Parliamentary Party will then whittle it down to the final 2 candidates, who will then be subject to a vote by Conservative Party members.

The ballot will close on Thursday 31st October at 5 PM with the result announced on Saturday 2nd November.

I am thoroughly looking forward to the leadership contest and of course to 'Conference'.

So the task ahead for the MPs is to ensure that the choice put to the membership doesn’t include a candidate around whom they couldn’t coalesce. Which essentially means no one on the extremes. I would rather they had the final choice but this is better than nothing.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Jul 24 9.03am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So the task ahead for the MPs is to ensure that the choice put to the membership doesn’t include a candidate around whom they couldn’t coalesce. Which essentially means no one on the extremes. I would rather they had the final choice but this is better than nothing. Why can't the party pick it's own leader with it's own criteria? It's your opinion fair enough but I don't think you are in touch with the majority of the Tory membership but then neither am I. One more point
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Beckenham 23 Jul 24 9.03am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So the task ahead for the MPs is to ensure that the choice put to the membership doesn’t include a candidate around whom they couldn’t coalesce. Which essentially means no one on the extremes. I would rather they had the final choice but this is better than nothing.

Why can't the party pick it's own leader with it's own criteria? It's your opinion fair enough but I don't think you are in touch with the majority of the Tory membership but then neither am I.

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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Jul 24 9.11am
I noticed that already some Labour MPs are grumbling that Starmer is refusing to lift the 2 child benefit cap and threatening action if they don't get their way. I am afraid he will need to get use to this type of behaviour. This is not a party political point but a general observation. Parties love to have big majorities but there is a downside with regard to party discipline. - There are only so many appointments available so the bigger the majority the bigger the group of people who feel slighted that they didn't get one. (See Emily Thornberry). - With a big majority the malcontents know that they can rebel and the government will still win the day so they can tell their constituents they voted against a measure even though it passed. No harm no foul. MPs think twice about rebelling if it means the opposition can claim a defeat of the government. Anyway all governments with big majorities face this problem and it hasn't actually happened yet but don't be surprised when the rebels raise the flag. Edited by Badger11 (23 Jul 2024 9.12am) One more point
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Beckenham 23 Jul 24 9.11am

I noticed that already some Labour MPs are grumbling that Starmer is refusing to lift the 2 child benefit cap and threatening action if they don't get their way.

I am afraid he will need to get use to this type of behaviour.

This is not a party political point but a general observation. Parties love to have big majorities but there is a downside with regard to party discipline.

- There are only so many appointments available so the bigger the majority the bigger the group of people who feel slighted that they didn't get one. (See Emily Thornberry).

- With a big majority the malcontents know that they can rebel and the government will still win the day so they can tell their constituents they voted against a measure even though it passed. No harm no foul. MPs think twice about rebelling if it means the opposition can claim a defeat of the government.

Anyway all governments with big majorities face this problem and it hasn't actually happened yet but don't be surprised when the rebels raise the flag.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Jul 2024 9.12am)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jul 24 11.35am
Originally posted by Badger11 I noticed that already some Labour MPs are grumbling that Starmer is refusing to lift the 2 child benefit cap and threatening action if they don't get their way. I am afraid he will need to get use to this type of behaviour. This is not a party political point but a general observation. Parties love to have big majorities but there is a downside with regard to party discipline. - There are only so many appointments available so the bigger the majority the bigger the group of people who feel slighted that they didn't get one. (See Emily Thornberry). - With a big majority the malcontents know that they can rebel and the government will still win the day so they can tell their constituents they voted against a measure even though it passed. No harm no foul. MPs think twice about rebelling if it means the opposition can claim a defeat of the government. Anyway all governments with big majorities face this problem and it hasn't actually happened yet but don't be surprised when the rebels raise the flag. Edited by Badger11 (23 Jul 2024 9.12am) Add this to places like Leeds and Whitechapel where the populace know that if they riot enough the police will leave them alone then there are already problems for the government. Riots galore - although the media are toning it all down. There's probably more today emanating from pakistan. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jul 24 11.35am

Originally posted by Badger11

I noticed that already some Labour MPs are grumbling that Starmer is refusing to lift the 2 child benefit cap and threatening action if they don't get their way.

I am afraid he will need to get use to this type of behaviour.

This is not a party political point but a general observation. Parties love to have big majorities but there is a downside with regard to party discipline.

- There are only so many appointments available so the bigger the majority the bigger the group of people who feel slighted that they didn't get one. (See Emily Thornberry).

Anyway all governments with big majorities face this problem and it hasn't actually happened yet but don't be surprised when the rebels raise the flag.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Jul 2024 9.12am)

Add this to places like Leeds and Whitechapel where the populace know that if they riot enough the police will leave them alone then there are already problems for the government. Riots galore - although the media are toning it all down. There's probably more today emanating from pakistan.

Red and Blue Army!

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