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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 9.32am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Omniscient not omnipotent but seeing the influence he had he might as well be omnipotent. His particular brand of wildly inaccurate guesswork has cost the country dear. Bird flu? Wrong. I will be much more interested to know what you think about the analysis that Professor Greg Tucker Kellogg makes in the video I linked to than in again reading very well-known assertions about Professor Ferguson.
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| Mattconrov 10 Aug 23 9.32am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why would anyone doubt the government response when it's been so outstanding in every other aspect for the last few years. Absolutely, plus your comment on Neil Ferguson. They are 100 percent relative to this debate we are having. Constantly through the "pandemic" we were told to trust in what our experts were doing. Only now can we hold hopefully hold them to account. It should have been done at the time. However such was/is the corrupt big business/government relationship (the whole world over) that was a closed shop to a second opinion. Neil Ferguson has made a career out of being wrong. I've seen the rather amusing and predictable fact checks on this. If they were indeed worse case scenarios; then the government have gone with that scenario everytime and Ferguson doesn't appear to have complained. My god these fact checkers (who fact checks them) they would tell Yes Wisbech, he had a "Stella career". While he wasn't ballsing up peoples lives. Edited by Mattconrov (10 Aug 2023 10.23am) Edited by Mattconrov (10 Aug 2023 10.30am) Edited by Mattconrov (10 Aug 2023 10.49am)
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Teddy Eagle  10 Aug 23 11.21am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I will be much more interested to know what you think about the analysis that Professor Greg Tucker Kellogg makes in the video I linked to than in again reading very well-known assertions about Professor Ferguson. They're not just assertions; they are facts.
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| Mattconrov 10 Aug 23 11.46am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
They're not just assertions; they are facts. Campbell was completely on with the government narrative throughout the pandemic where he built up quite a following. Now he has changed his tune. Better late than never I suppose. Plenty more experts out there that are not government linked. If you go back to page 134 and in particular 135 you will see plenty of links. I'm no fan of Campbell who did a lot of damage in getting people to be experimented on. But he does appear to genuinely feel sorry for what he did.
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| Mattconrov 10 Aug 23 1.30pm |
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| Stirlingsays 10 Aug 23 1.54pm |
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I don't agree with this criticism of Campbell. Already five minutes into this video linked as some kind of expose and I'm coming up against ridiculous pedantry. Maybe there's some smoking gun in there that gives validity to the smears but as of yet it comes across as more of an academic nik picking and jealously guarding his position and using that to make larger claims about Campbell on motivation that they themselves have no evidence for other than opinion. Somewhat ironically. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Aug 2023 2.49pm)
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| Mattconrov 10 Aug 23 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't agree with this criticism of Campbell. Already five minutes into this video linked as some kind of expose and I coming up against ridiculous pedantry. Maybe there's some smoking gun in there that gives validity to the smears but as of yet it comes across as more of an academic nik picking and jealously guarding his position and using that to make larger claims about Campbell that they themselves have no evidence for other than opinion. Somewhat ironically. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Aug 2023 1.55pm) There appears to be evidence of the amount of money he has further down the thread. As I'm sure you are aware of my views on the covid vaccines - it would be quite reasonable for myself to get behind Campbell.
Yes I don't have a problem with his accuracy on videos these days. But this guy gets held up as a hero- while others lost a lot more for speaking out in 2020.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Aug 23 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
There appears to be evidence of the amount of money he has further down the thread. As I'm sure you are aware of my views on the covid vaccines - it would be quite reasonable for myself to get behind Campbell.
Yes I don't have a problem with his accuracy on videos these days. But this guy gets held up as a hero- while others lost a lot more for speaking out in 2020. The money issue isn't really evidence of anything though. He built up that fan base while he was putting out the mainstream message so he'd have been making the same money then. Obviously I agree with you on the skepticism around everything that's happened from the origins of covid to how the vaccine programme proceeded to its current aftermath and excess deaths right now......which once again, according to WHO figures are over two times the amounts of deaths than were attributed to covid. I only knew that from Campbell.....No mainstream outlet told me that. That's part of the problem. Time will show some people will be vindicated and others continuing to make excuses. It's those that trusted or felt forced into actions that they wouldn't have otherwise taken who are the largest victims in all this.
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| Mattconrov 10 Aug 23 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The money issue isn't really evidence of anything though. He built up that fan base while he was putting out the mainstream message so he'd have been making the same money then. Obviously I agree with you on the skepticism around everything that's happened from the origins of covid to how the vaccine programme proceeded to its current aftermath and excess deaths right now......which once again, according to WHO figures are over two times the amounts of deaths than were attributed to covid. I only knew that from Campbell.....No mainstream outlet told me that. That's part of the problem. Time will show some people will be vindicated and others continuing to make excuses. It's those that trusted or felt forced into actions that they wouldn't have otherwise taken who are the largest victims in all this. If he informs people then that's a good thing. Speaking out against the vaccines is a lot easier now than 2 years ago. I do watch his videos so I am hardly anti Dr campbell. It's just he's no hero. I suppose that was my main point. The government figures on covid deaths are completely unreliable. I recall Eddie large's death being reported. Famous comedian Eddie large dies of covid 19 after being admitted to hospital with heart failure. These were the obvious red flags people were not seeing at the time. That would have gone on the covid death list. Over 99 percent survival rate from covid 19. Average age of people dying around 82. This information was known pretty early on. I can understand people falling for it then to some extent. But the people still believing that the ends justified the means. Absolutely incredible. Some of them think 98 percent of people are Morons. Lol
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| Mattconrov 10 Aug 23 4.05pm |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 23 4.12pm |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
Absolutely, plus your comment on Neil Ferguson. They are 100 percent relative to this debate we are having. Constantly through the "pandemic" we were told to trust in what our experts were doing. Only now can we hold hopefully hold them to account. It should have been done at the time. However such was/is the corrupt big business/government relationship (the whole world over) that was a closed shop to a second opinion. Neil Ferguson has made a career out of being wrong. I've seen the rather amusing and predictable fact checks on this. If they were indeed worse case scenarios; then the government have gone with that scenario everytime and Ferguson doesn't appear to have complained. My god these fact checkers (who fact checks them) they would tell Yes Wisbech, he had a "Stella career". While he wasn't ballsing up peoples lives. Edited by Mattconrov (10 Aug 2023 10.23am) Edited by Mattconrov (10 Aug 2023 10.30am) Edited by Mattconrov (10 Aug 2023 10.49am) I wonder whether, even if you actually read the links you provide, you really understand them, read them thoroughly including any comments or analysis? For, whilst some are no more than the recycled tittle tattle, you include in your own comments, at least one doesn’t say what you seem to think it does, and includes some intelligent comments defending Fergusan’s work. If anyone is asked to suggest a worst case scenario in which all the parameters are at their extreme limits then you will be extremely unlikely to see it realised. If you do that using a model that subsequently is found to be inadequate then even more so. Ferguson has become a scapegoat target for those who believe they always knew better, when the truth is they don’t. All we know is what actually happened. No one knows what would have happened if we took any other way, because we didn’t. So assuming anything is a waste of time. Ferguson was just one of several advisers used by government. It was their decision, not his. This is just a distraction. We did what we did. What’s important is to evaluate the advice now being given by people like Campbell and to do that to examine their motives and trustworthiness. Anyone watching the video I linked would either be convinced Campbell is a fraud or are delusional.
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| Teddy Eagle 10 Aug 23 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I wonder whether, even if you actually read the links you provide, you really understand them, read them thoroughly including any comments or analysis? For, whilst some are no more than the recycled tittle tattle, you include in your own comments, at least one doesn’t say what you seem to think it does, and includes some intelligent comments defending Fergusan’s work. If anyone is asked to suggest a worst case scenario in which all the parameters are at their extreme limits then you will be extremely unlikely to see it realised. If you do that using a model that subsequently is found to be inadequate then even more so. Ferguson has become a scapegoat target for those who believe they always knew better, when the truth is they don’t. All we know is what actually happened. No one knows what would have happened if we took any other way, because we didn’t. So assuming anything is a waste of time. Ferguson was just one of several advisers used by government. It was their decision, not his. This is just a distraction. We did what we did. What’s important is to evaluate the advice now being given by people like Campbell and to do that to examine their motives and trustworthiness. Anyone watching the video I linked would either be convinced Campbell is a fraud or are delusional. I've never heard of Professor Tucker Kellogg. What proof is there that he's any more trustworthy?
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